Meh. We are in BC. Hydro power is pretty cheap here. But I hear ya.Seeing it’s almost impossible to name anything not affected by the price of oil, including the electricity to charge your $10,000 tow vehicle battery, there’s a huge affect
Meh. We are in BC. Hydro power is pretty cheap here. But I hear ya.Seeing it’s almost impossible to name anything not affected by the price of oil, including the electricity to charge your $10,000 tow vehicle battery, there’s a huge affect
I've thrown the term out to loosely.... I drive a 4th gen Ford escape which is a compact SUV. Our model is simplicity... A small popup for 2, and the pop up needs to be towed by my daily driver. I've chosen not to buy a truck or self powered RV.t!! The only thing I question is what do you consider a "midsize R/V? The smallest T.T. I ever owned ( have owned 7 Class c's, T.T's and 5 the wheels) was an 28' no slide Jayco T.T. which I towed with a 1/2 ton P.U. Even that small (was WAY too small for us) I'd have to crawl about 40 M.P.H. to average 13-15 mpg!! Just curious.
Varies a lot more than gasoline here in the USA.We are in BC. Hydro power is pretty cheap here.
Food, groceries, clothing, lumber, everything is hauled by trucks, trains,airplanes…everything, all run on petroleum.Meh. We are in BC. Hydro power is pretty cheap here. But I hear ya.
Yep. All true. I think the gest of the thread was directed more at fuel costs of the RV or tow vehicle.Food, groceries, clothing, lumber, everything is hauled by trucks, trains,airplanes…everything, all run on petroleum.
Yah. Isn’t that the truth. Hang in there brother. We still have it pretty good on this side of the pond wether that be your country or mine. Let’s hope they get this thing sorted out on the other side of the world before it becomes an extinction level event.I understand and agree but the high cost of fuel affects everything leaving less for travel of any kind….life in general
In 2020 my cost for round trip from Indiana to Tucson area was $1,100. Today that is closer to
double that.
For many, many years I lived in a lower first tier nuclear strike target/top second tier target - Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Yup. Iowa. Turns out it used to be the backup hub for the US nuclear communication system due to the old Collins Radio Company (which morphed into Rockwell Collins which is now a combination of Raytheon and BAE, but I digress). There really are no contingency plans an individual can make under those circumstances. It also isn’t a thing I worry about. I am much, much, much more likely to get his crossing the street.Someone pointed out they weren't going to travel to those spots but if war breaks out your going to be making hugh detours around the hot spots where the nukes have went off in this country. BTW by the time you circumnavigate the hole in the ground, your dead from radiation. While I think the chance of this happening is some what low, I think it is higher than it has been.
So we should be happy here in CA next week when gasoline drops from $6.50 to $6.00 per gallon?
Just so you understand . . .Yah. Could be. Really I’m not up on it.
Interesting stuff Don. Thanks.Just so you understand . . .
There is a percentage above 100% SOC than cannot be used. The greater this percentage the better for the life of the battery. But the range is also reduced by that much by not being able to use it. So they try for a happy medium.
The same happens at the low end. When well below 0% SOC (the reserve) the motors die and leave you stuck. But the battery is not really dead, you just cannot excess this very last part of the charge. This is even worse for the battery. Let it go all the way dead and you will have a ruined very expensive battery, so that is prevented. You're much better off being stuck on the side of the road with the need for a tow truck than a ruined $8,000 battery in today's price ($21,000 in year 2015 for the same battery).
EVs made for the military have an emergency switch so they can use every last drop. The idea here is saving a life is more important than the expensive battery.
The max capacity includes the KWH we cannot use (except military that can use the low end of the charge). Often is around a 10% difference. Depends on how much they want to sacrifice range for battery longevity.
The nominal value is the capacity the battery we may fully access. We cannot charge or use above the nominal capacity. Max battery capacity is totally inaccessible to us in every way.
It's best to see both specs or at least know which they are using when they say "70KWH battery" etc.
My 2018 Tesla M3 Battery Capacity has a max battery capacity of 70.0 kWh. The useable (nominal) is 66.5 kWh. ~5% of the charge is not useable. 66.5KWH available will show as 100% SOC on the screen. Not even regen will let it go above that 66.5 KWH. That is why you have no regen at 100% SOC.
The Harley Livewire you saw has a max capacity of 15.5KWH. Its useable capacity is 13.6 KWH, around 9% difference. Harley is more concerned about the life of their battery than most and the range is reduced more because of it compared to most other electric motorcycles with the same size battery.
On top of all this, they usually say do not charge above 80% unless you need it. That is 80% of the nominal range.
So now you're "up on it" and even know as much about it as I do .
-Don- Auburn, CA
They usually try for around 6% in the reserve range.. I think he averaged 33 kilometres past zero.
For anything decent, you have a very long wait, IMO.I'm looking forward to trading in our Gas guzzler for the New Electric RV's coming out