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Read message number 22 in this thread.

-Don- Reno, NV
I have been in many that differentiate between 30 & 50 amp. For me the extra couple dollars just not worth trying to get 30 amp pricing. Just like I don't do Walmart parking lots, I enjoy all the luxury the 50amps provides. No space we just call the next RV park until we find an over night stop, stays of a week or more are pre planned with reservations. Yes I carry a 3500 watt generator for when we have to boondock which in uncommon for us. I was in a state park that lost power, generator gave us 1 A/C at least.
 

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Often a ten buck per night difference. Why pay it when you don't need it?

The very first RV park I went to in my new RV was this one. Check the price difference between 30 and 50 amp.

-Don- Reno, NV
Don't like the price move on, $10 is a single lunch in most fast food places. Guess I'll never understand a 200K RV and staying in a parking lot to save money but that's me. I have multi RV park locating apps, pay for several RV clubs to get the discounts associated with them. I have a RV worth way less and I am willing to pay what they are asking or not stay. I know when I pull in what it's going to cost for the night, week or month and what the electric price is in the monthly park. I used to spend that much on coffee (not al the fancy BS) most days. You question the DR prices when you go in, or the cost of gas electric at the house? You pay the going rate or you don't get service. Just not worth cheating for $10, technically it's theft of services, yep I can quote an RCW (law) for that too.
 

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My take on it is that it is ridiculous for RV parks to insist that 50 amp capable RV's must use 50 amp sites, and pay $8-$10 extra for the privilege when they don't need the extra amps. Think of a situation with 2 nearly identical coaches, both are 31 ft class A coaches, one was ordered from the factory with the optional 50 amp service upgrade, and the other had the standard 30 amp service, why should the one with the 50 amp service pay 20-30% more for an overnight stay?

As to that $200,000 RV jab, try taking a zero off that figure

p.s. How is it theft of service, I paid for a 30 amp site, and used a 30 amp site, just because I COULD use a 50 amp site should not force me to pay extra for one. That is like charging entry fees into a park based upon the number of seats in the SUV vs the number of PEOPLE in the SUV.
 

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Don't like the price move on, $10 is a single lunch in most fast food places.
It's about the principle, not the money. I could not care less if they charge me $50.00 bucks for a 30 amp site, as long as the price is listed as such. But when they force me to buy something I do not need or want when I am once there, it's a bit different.

BTW, I like the way they did it at the Cold Springs Station. RV Park. They simply asked if I needed a 50 amp site, and I said I can do either. They gave me a 30 amp site.

-Don- Reno, NV
 

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As to that $200,000 RV jab, try taking a zero off that figure
He was referring to my new RV, so if a zero is removed, you have to multiply by eight and still be a little short. It was $161,500.00 out the door. Then add $2,211.68 to that when I went to register it at Reno DMV.

Total cost:$163,711.68. So just $36,288.32 away from that 200K$.

I think my 2022 Entegra Vision 27A has every option possible, so it's a bit more pricy than many others of the same model. I found out that the bed above the driver's seat is an option (press a button to bring it down)and so is the 12 CF refrigerator. It's really a bit more than I need or really wanted, for just me, but I couldn't resist it when I looked inside and I couldn't find anything I didn't like other than stuff I can easily change. Such as no 12V outlets and only a 1200W inverter.

All the extra options probably means I have very little of my Gross Combined Weight left to use, which wasn't much to begin with by the specs. But for just me and my 400 lbs motorcycle and ramp and a little other junk, I expect it's still more than enough capacity.

-Don- Reno, NV
 

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My take on it is that it is ridiculous for RV parks to insist that 50 amp capable RV's must use 50 amp sites, and pay $8-$10 extra for the privilege when they don't need the extra amps. Think of a situation with 2 nearly identical coaches, both are 31 ft class A coaches, one was ordered from the factory with the optional 50 amp service upgrade, and the other had the standard 30 amp service, why should the one with the 50 amp service pay 20-30% more for an overnight stay?

What about the idea that if you are in a 31 foot location using only 30Amps the owners of the camp can't rent that spot to a 31 foot RV that wants 50A service and that represents a loss of potential revenue. They hedge their bet against having to turn a higher paying customer away by upcharging you so there is no potential for the loss to occur.

You're taking one of the big spots that could or should provide more revenue for their business and then you're claiming that since you're not using all the services you shouldn't pay as much. That 30 foot site represents the potential to earn $10 more and if you don't want to pay it then I think it's in the campground owners right to ask you to head down the highway to another location.

Sort of like asking for a discount at a buffet because you're not going to eat too much but you want to occupy the table for the lunch hour.
 

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What about the idea that if you are in a 35 foot location using only 30Amps the owners of the camp can't rent that spot to a 35 foot RV that wants 50A service and that represents a loss of potential revenue.
Oh, I think I see the issue now. We have been talking about two different things.

If each spot has both the 30 amp and 50 amp outlet, yeah, charge everybody the same regardless of which they use.

But many RV parks, like at Cold Springs Station, your RV spot only has one outlet. Either a 30 amp or a 50 amp, but not both. They charge by which spot you have, the spot with 30 amp service or the 50 amp service.

-Don- Reno, NV
 

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I agree with Tom here, we seem to be talking about different things. I am talking about parks where 50 amp capable RV are required to pay $10 to spend the night there, and use a site which has a 50 amp outlet, and possibly also a 30 amp outlet, but 30 amp coaches are allowed to stay in either a 30 amp only site, or the 50/30 site and pay $10 less.

Though by your logic, the same could be applied about any other thing that allows the RV park to up-charge, many RV parks charge extra if more than 2 people are in the RV, regardless of service consumption, so following that same logic if your RV has sleeping spaces for 5 people, then you should pay the 5 person rate, because you have the potential to have brought 5 people.

The point is here I neither need or want a 50 amp site, as a 30 amp site will handle all of my needs on a typical overnight stop when I don't need to run the air conditioner, convection oven, air fryer and water heater one electric mode all at once. The absurd thing about this policy is that if I were to unwire the big heavy 50 amp power cord from the transfer switch, and permanently replace it with a 30 amp cord, I could then turn my coach into a 30 amp only coach, and be in compliance with their policy and they would have no issue with me paying the lower 30 amp rate, but because I use a dogbone adapter to do an electrically equivalent thing, it is some how a violation and I owe them more, this just does not make sense.
 

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The idea that folks driving around in multi-hundred-thousand dollar RVs are stealing 20 amps of electricity is hilarious.
 

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The idea that folks driving around in multi-hundred-thousand dollar RVs are stealing 20 amps of electricity is hilarious.
Yet it happens all the time... I've seen more than one of those "multi-hundred-thousand dollar" TV's pull into an RV park site after office hours and then leave at sun-up in the morning before the office opens. They're not the only ones that pull that stunt of course. It's possible some paid online, etc, but I've also known staff to come around asking what we knew about who occupied a nearby site during the night without paying.
 

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I think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. I've worked in Rv parks for several years and traveled to many more of them, so have witnessed a lot of rules & behavior. I've never encountered a park that charged higher rates to 50A RVs if the site only has a 30A outlet. Not saying that doesn't exist somewhere, but it's hardly a common issue worth getting excited about.

The potential fraud problem arises when the site has both 30A & 50A available and the RVer claims he will only use 30A (or 20A?). I'm sorry to say that some RVers abuse that situation and parks do tend to make rigid rules when that happens. It's also true that many (most?) parks charge 50A rates for a 50A-capable site. Arguing that you should get a discount because you won't use all the available electric and is like saying you won't use the pool or playground or site picnic table. Few parks offer ala carte pricing for the array of park services - you pay for the whole bundle.

As is always the case, if you don't like the way a business operates, take your money somewhere else. "Vote with your feet", as the saying goes.
 

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I'm not aware of any park charging a higher 50 amp rate for 30 amp only sites either. Currently, it seems most of the parks we've visited where all sites are 50,30,20 amp, typically are flat rated regardless of your RV's rating. We did stay at a casino park years ago that had separate locked power boxes for 50 and 30 amp hookups. We were only given the key, with a key deposit, for the box with the amps we paid for of course.
 

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Gary I agree that in my experience that most parks charge a 50 amp rate for any site that has a 50 amp outlet, even if that site also has a 30 amp outlet. Though what we are talking about here are RV parks that require any 50 amp capable RV to pay the 50 amp rate and use a 50 amp site, they are not allowed to park and use a 30 amp only site.

This is just one of those policies that strikes me a as crazy and absurd, much like charging a surcharge for people that show up without a reservation, which is another practice I have ran across, which to me it says we would rather have this site sit empty than to have someone roll in at the last minute and stay here.
 

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Though what we are talking about here are RV parks that require any 50 amp capable RV to pay the 50 amp rate and use a 50 amp site, they are not allowed to park and use a 30 amp only site.

I'd agree that may piss me off a little but not enough to make me drive any more that day. Probably enough to make me not want to ever come back though. It would depend, I'm not willing to endure very much inconvenience for only $10.

It's still a matter of potential, they naturally want to fill up the 50A sites first to maximize income and it's better to have 30A sites left a the end of the day than 50A sites.

The reservation thing makes sense because they probably also charge a reservation fee, so a site on the reservation system is $25 plus $10 reservation fee and to get the same amount of income from a drive-up they need to invent a $10 "non-reservation fee for them. The price of the site is really $35 they are just screwing around with how it's presented.

There are certainly various business models and I don't think any of them are "wrong" but if you don' like them then move along, it's a free country.
 

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So you pull into a campsite. 30 amp power. You use you dog bone 30 amp to 50 then use your 50 amp cable. Or do you carry a 30 amp cable that is easier to handle? Then have another dog bone at the trailer. I’m so confused. Thanks
Wow. All I did is ask what cable to use? Thanks for the entertainment and education. I will pay the ten bucks for now😁😁
 

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OK, the long and short of is ... if you buy a 50A extension cord you can use it for any kind of outlet (30A or 50A) but it's thicker and harder to manage. For a 30A outlet you put the dog bone out by the pedestal.

If you buy the 30A extension it's easier to manage because it's thinner The dog bone goes inside and only the 30A cord is seen but if you find yourself too far away you won't be able to get 50A service.

You could buy one of each but that's expensive and you have to have room to store both.

Things sometimes go a little sideways around here but you won't find a more knowledgeable bunch of guys, I've learned tons in the last year.
 

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I Agee on how much you all know. Impressive to say the least. My folks we active Yuma folks. I wish they were still here to share. You all are helping tons.
 

Edd505

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My take on it is that it is ridiculous for RV parks to insist that 50 amp capable RV's must use 50 amp sites, and pay $8-$10 extra for the privilege when they don't need the extra amps. Think of a situation with 2 nearly identical coaches, both are 31 ft class A coaches, one was ordered from the factory with the optional 50 amp service upgrade, and the other had the standard 30 amp service, why should the one with the 50 amp service pay 20-30% more for an overnight stay?

As to that $200,000 RV jab, try taking a zero off that figure

p.s. How is it theft of service, I paid for a 30 amp site, and used a 30 amp site, just because I COULD use a 50 amp site should not force me to pay extra for one. That is like charging entry fees into a park based upon the number of seats in the SUV vs the number of PEOPLE in the SUV.
Didn't say yours was 200K just an example of what I see. No your not guilty of theft of service if you paid for 30 amp and used 30 amp. I guess they trying to hide the cord led me to think you plugged into 50 amp when paying for 30. Why not just ask for 30 when you check in? Doesn't matter that it could use 50 when all you are using is the 30. My 5W is 50 amp and when going into a place I don't need both A/Cs because of heat I go for the 30 too. I could adapt my 50 amp cord but the 30's so much lighter.

Thanks for the Pipes info, I read some where 28ft max as I had looked at it for a stop, went to Tombstone instead. Might be a 2022 stop after the first of the year.
 
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