92% Of EV Owners Will Never Go Back To ICE-Only, New Study Finds

[DonTom]

I am also in this 92%, at least when reasonably possible, as I would not consider an E-RV at this time.

I agree that most of the 8% will have some type of issue with charging. But more details are needed. How many of those can charge at 12 KW at home, like I can, at either home? In my case, the operation costs have nothing to do with it, even though I do get a lot of free charging at various places in CA & Reno. It's nice to leave home every time with a tank as full as I want and do not have to bother going to gas stations or any charge stations except for when I am home doing other things.

But on an RV trip, I enjoy the gas station breaks, as it is usually a break after a long drive. The same goes for my charging breaks when I am on my electric motorcycles. I almost never need to charge my EV cars on the road. I have not done that for years. Long trips via car are very rare for me. By long, I mean longer than 100 miles. Between here and Reno and I can do a round trip in either of my EV cars and a little more than one way on two of my electric motorcycles. Of the other three electric motorcycles, two I will have to charge for sure at near the halfway point, and the other could probably make it all the way, but too close to chance it. If I ride as slow as the trucks on I-80 going up the hills, it will make it for sure. But if I ride it fast, it will not make it without a recharge.

Unlike some, I would NOT consider a hybrid. To me that would be below a normal ICE vehicle. I see Hybrids as having more disadvantages than ICE. More maintenance such as oil checks and changes, smog check and all that.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[old RV guy]

That study being from the totally 100% objective "Global EV Alliance", we promise, scouts honor, cross our hearts and hope to die.

 

[DutchmenSport]

Sometimes people just have to make costly mistakes before they learn the hard way that things don't always turn out as they envision.

I still say, "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." 92% of these people did exactly that. And now they have the reprocussions.

In my opinion, EV transportation for the average Joe *IS* a good thing. But, before purchasing one for a butt load of money, consider the short comings of such a device.

As anyone's sole mode of transportation, an EV is probably not the best choice. As 92% of these folks discovered.

However, EVs do have their place. Understanding they have limited ranges for travel and then it can take some time to "re-charge", EV's are an excellent choice for the grocery getter / soccer mom / daily driver to and from work / in town automobile and is an excellent choice for a "second" vehicle. Especially in congested big-city driving, they serve an excellent purpose of eliminating emissions and such.

But, for distance driving, or "heavy lifting" driving (like towing, travel, or hauling a lot of people at one time) the conventional fossil fuel powered automobile is needed.

The problem is.... that 92% simply did not think "it" through to it's logical conclusion. That 92% would be much lower if they would have held onto their old fossil fuel powered automobile too, instead of relying 100% on the EV model.

Ever since I was 16 years old, and I'm now 70 years old, I've had 2 vehicles. One vehicle that gets outstanding fuel mileage, and the other that was a power-house vehicle (large, bulky, fuel hog, could haul lots of people, or tow something heavy).

As a teen ager and through my 20's, I had a motorcycle for my "daily driver". Fuel mileage was astounding, 70 or 80 miles per gallon. I rode the wheels off that thing. But then I also had my Chevy sedan.

When I got married, we had the small run-around car, and a mini-van for hauling the family.

Later, we had a suburban and a small 4 door economical sedan.

Today, a Chevy Colorado and our behmouth 3500 diesel dually long bed towing beast.

The smaller vehicles are the ones we use as our primary vehicle for work and daily running around. The behemoth is for pulling that 14,000 pound fifth wheel and hauling big stuff in the bed of the truck.

This is where the 92% made their mistake. There's nothing wrong with the EV models. But, if purchasing an EV, simply hang on to the fossil fuel vehicle too and understand the limitations of the EV. If you do, you'll have success with the EV and not disappointment.

 

[ex-member]

For us infrastructure would be the only thing that would make us consider a gasser. But where we travel that’s not an issue.

I can’t think of a single thing our Jeep Grand Cherokee did better than our Tesla model Y AWD. And it was awful in winter compared to the tesla.

But to each his own. Love what you drive and drive what you love. We all have different needs and wants.

 

[TheBar]

EV would have been more successful if they hadn't been overhyped and over zealous laws passed. Cream will eventually rise to the top unless the milk is shaken.

 

[old RV guy]

The Chinese are manufacturing EV's which cost less upfront than ICE vehicles, but protectionism ( which is slang for protecting the interests of the top 1%) will make sure we don't see those here anytime soon.

 

[gwinger]

EV's have their place. As a commuting vehicle or the typical family vehicle for around town. Even things like local mail vehicles, if the local Post Office has the room and resources to charge them Our local Post Office does not.
Another one is the local home remodeler or service person.
My wife and I have talked about replacing her 13 year old low mileage car many times.
And decided our best option would be a Hybrid.

 

[old RV guy]

EV would have been more successful if they hadn't been overhyped and over zealous laws passed. Cream will eventually rise to the top unless the milk is shaken.

EV's won't be more successful in America until they clear up the charging charlie foxtrot. I for one am driving 1000 miles rd trip @ Christmas. I'm just fine driving the 500 miles each way without having to muck around trying to find a charger somewhere along the way that might be working or running an extension cord from the dryer outlet and through the kitchen window at the destination. They'll no doubt be ubiquitous someday, but that day ain't now.
Besides, I hope lots of people, other than me buy an EV, that's reduces the demand and increases the supply of gas. If Adam Smith was right, that's good for we neanderthal ICE owners.

 

[DonTom]

I can’t think of a single thing our Jeep Grand Cherokee did better than our Tesla model Y AWD. And it was awful in winter compared to the tesla.

That was my biggest surprise. I also had a 4WD Jeep Grand Cherokee (with AT tires) and I didn't expect my AWD Tesla to do better in the snow than it, especially with the stock tires. But it is a BIG noticeable difference, I assume because of all the weight the Tesla has on the bottom from the battery.

But for ground clearance, the Jeep wins. But if the snow is that deep, I won't be driving.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

EV's won't be more successful in America until they clear up the charging charlie foxtrot.

Not much of an issue for Tesla as it is.

BTW, on Plugshare I see the DCFCs are out of service at the Wal*Mart in Fernley, NV. A very important non-Tesla charge location. The charge cables were stolen. But the Tesla Superchargers near there have not been touched--yet.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[rvlifer]

Does anyone know the history of gasoline? Seems evs and the charging infrastructure have a lot in common with the early automobile industry. Gasoline was originally a nuisance by product for the refiners trying to get kerosene until enough ice cars were out there.

Evs are likely gonna replace almost all ices just a matter of time. The only decision for consumers now is when to jump in.

 

[ex-member]

That was my biggest surprise. I also had a 4WD Jeep Grand Cherokee (with AT tires) and I didn't expect my AWD Tesla to do better in the snow than it, especially with stock the stock tires. But it is a BIG noticeable difference, I assume because of all the with the Tesla has on the bottom from the battery.

But for ground clearance, the Jeep wins. But if the snow is that deep, I won't be driving.

-Don- Auburn, CA

Yah. And on top of that cold weather starting, taking forever to heat up, scraping window, dealing with cold gas pumps. Ugh. I’m old. I don’t need any of that stuff anymore.

 

[DonTom]

Evs are likely gonna replace almost all ices just a matter of time. The only decision for consumers now is when to jump in.

In CA & Reno, I see so many EVs already that IMO, the change in law where we may only buy EVs (in CA and WA and a few other states) in ten years probably isn't necessary.

Also, I expect EVs to be a lot cheaper than ICE by then. We can already see that starting to happen.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[rvlifer]

Generally i am in the camp that companies should focus on better products and services and they wouldnt need to rely on laws and trickery to get people to buy it. Sometimes the govt has to get involved, but i think you are right. What you explained is the physics behind how capitalism works lol. Not the most accurate term i know. I am on the fence as to whether laws are really necessary in this case. I see both sides. Just not fulky decided in my own head.

 

[Gary RV_Wizard]

The EV mandates were driven by the bureaucrat's discomfort with letting technology & capitalism takes its own course. Plus they wanted to accelerate EV progress in the name of reduced emissions and energy independence. As it turned out, a decent percentage of the car buying public wants EV anyway, so it would have been sufficient for government to help along by assisting with infrastructure and standards. But governments & pols seldom resist the urge to tinker.

The car companies jumped on the bandwagon cause it got them out of the ever-increasing CAFE & emissions demands, plus it won them government regulatory favor. A win for them, even though it required a huge capital investment. But they too got carried away with aggressive promises for an ICE-less automobile market.

 

[rvlifer]

The EV mandates were driven by the bureaucrat's discomfort with letting technology & capitalism takes its own course. Plus they wanted to accelerate EV progress in the name of reduced emissions and energy independence.

Dont forget about the desire to pudh things in a way beneficial to the special interests they care about. My definition of a special interest is anyone who is not an individual voter who hasnt contributed anything to any candidate or political party.

 

[DonTom]

trying to find a charger somewhere along the way

The navigation system in the car will find them for you. They are often in places that are well hidden, otherwise. If you want to see their locations in advance, use Plugshare.com.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

"Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." 92% of these people did exactly that. And now they have the reprocussions.

How did you come up with that when the article says:

"Only 1 percent of respondents said they would be going back to a pure ICE vehicle"

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[rvlifer]

The navigation system in the car will find them for you. They are often in places that are well hidden, otherwise. If you want to see their locations in advance, use Plugshare.com.

-Don- Auburn, CA

Teslas will but i am guessing not all evs will. Regardless i am with onyrlef on this one a bit. It is another thing to worry about

 

[ex-member]

Teslas will but i am guessing not all evs will. Regardless i am with onyrlef on this one a bit. It is another thing to worry about

I don’t know. We have toured over 7 provinces and 10 western states. Finding a charger was never an issue. The problem right now is non tesla infrastructure is unreliable and glitchy. But I suspect tesla will take over the whole market someday and that issue will go away. Tesla opens a supercharger per day right now. It’s only a matter of time.