92% Of EV Owners Will Never Go Back To ICE-Only, New Study Finds

[old RV guy]

I got an OTA update today and now everything works as it should. I can now talk as slow or as fast as I want every time.

I don't see any bugs in this update. Makes me wonder if I should no longer do any of the updates from now on. I don't see a need to fix anything that isn't broken, unless there is a new feature I want such as manual battery precondition for CCS charging or the more regen selections which I already voted on.

-Don- Reno, NV

If they knew what would potentially need updating in the future wouldn't they have done it already?

 

[old RV guy]

or paying to hear the radio...

Were there no SiriusXM you'd have no way to get an introductory free list of sales leads from the world's #1 salesman, who's so tired of making money he's deficated his life to helping others.

 

[DonTom]

If they knew what would potentially need updating in the future wouldn't they have done it already?

Too many possible options, IMO. Many most people will not even think about much until somebody comes up with the idea. That's why we can vote on what new features we want.

Some new options I do NOT like, but often it makes no difference because I can turn them off. For one example, the way the side cameras come on for the turn signals for blind spots. I find that very annoying, so I keep that feature off. I can still see the blind areas on the screen but not in the same way. I find that is all I want--no need for the screen to change with redundant information. I wish my Class A could also turn that feature off. But it switches by cable somewhere inside the RV-not via SW. I cannot find where the switching is done.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Adventurous Traveler]

Here's an interesting article on EVs from the Wall Street Journal the other day.

 

[rvlifer]

Regarding updates and tracking of info from any and all of these companies and products, we lose our freedom when we lose the ability to control what is private and what is public. Totalitarianism is the removal of the difference between private and public life.

Once anything takes away my ability to decide what updates to install I start looking for an alternative. I know you guys said you can stop updates on Teslas so maybe that doesn't currently apply. I don't see it being very long before that right is taken away.

 

[Brad Buchanan]

Does anyone know the history of gasoline? Seems evs and the charging infrastructure have a lot in common with the early automobile industry. Gasoline was originally a nuisance by product for the refiners trying to get kerosene until enough ice cars were out there.

Evs are likely gonna replace almost all ices just a matter of time. The only decision for consumers now is when to jump in.

Not likely in our lifetimes.

 

[Brad Buchanan]

Yah. And on top of that cold weather starting, taking forever to heat up, scraping window, dealing with cold gas pumps. Ugh. I’m old. I don’t need any of that stuff anymore.

That is nothing short of amazing!

An ev that does not have cold charging cables, icing on the windows and instant heat.

Perhaps it is equipped with a magic bean or some other technology.

 

[DonTom]

Perhaps it is equipped with a magic bean or some other technology.

Electric heaters do not need to wait for an engine to warm up.

Turn it on while the car motor is off, same with the A/C.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Brad Buchanan]

They definitely bought it not knowing everything they were in for, and they are like most people who have a hard time not having an itinerary. They had to have everything planned.

I find the same thing with motorcycle rides. I have a hard time finding people who are comfortable just following the road wherever it leads. Some of that is riding ability and worrying about what they are gonna run into.

That is the magic of bikes.

I loved trying roads to see where they lead, even if it turns into a dirt road.

And that was with a six cylinder Valkyrie.

 

[DonTom]

, even if it turns into a dirt road.

And that was with a six cylinder Valkyrie.

That is what my Suzuki DR200SE is for. Also, the Zero DS I take on my RV trips, but that is my least range motorcycle of my dozen. Perhaps good for 40 miles on the freeway, but double that for city riding and for slow unpaved roads. It will probably do a 100 miles on a level dirt road.

But if there are enough AC charge stations on the way, it then could go thousands of miles with very short charge stops.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

Don kind of hit on another advantage of the EV.

One of the Enterprise rentals I've driven had "Auto off" technology. If I slowed from over 30 MPH to full stop at a red light it woudl shut off the engine (I think it was 30) then instantly restart when I tapped the pedal to go Supposed to save fuel from Idling

EV"s naturally do that too Only where as a ICE can fail to re-start.. Not so the EV.

 

[DonTom]

Don kind of hit on another advantage of the EV.

One of the Enterprise rentals I've driven had "Auto off" technology. If I slowed from over 30 MPH to full stop at a red light it woudl shut off the engine (I think it was 30) then instantly restart when I tapped the pedal to go Supposed to save fuel from Idling

EV"s naturally do that too Only where as a ICE can fail to re-start.. Not so the EV.

EVs charge as they slow down, so you want the motor to be on, also does your braking. You could remove the brake pads out of my Chevy Bolt and I would not notice any difference. It has progressive regen from the brake pedal. The charge increases the harder I brake. It would take a very hard emergency brake to engage the brake pads in it. I doubt they have ever been engaged since I owned the car.

I normally do not use the brake pedal. I mainly use the regen control on the steering wheel to slow or stop. I miss that feature on my Tesla. Tesla adds NOTHING to the brake pedal, but has extremely high deceleration regen which allows the "one pedal driving". I prefer the way it is done in my Chevy Bolt by far.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

EVs charge as they slow down, so you want the motor to be on, also does your braking. You could remove the brake pads out of my Chevy Bolt and I would not notice any difference.

Yes that (Energy recovery) is also a plus for EV's but my post was when fully stopped at the light.
With the EV. since the motor shaft is not turning. it's off.. With my ICE jeep. it's still sucking gas.

Lots of advantages to the EV.


One repair I had to do not covered by my vehicle breakdown insurance was the exhaust system on my Cherokee latitude. Suspect teh same will happen with the Grand Cherokee in time.

EV does not even have that part.

 

[TheBar]

Electric heaters do not need to wait for an engine to warm up.

Turn it on while the car motor is off, same with the A/C.

-Don- Auburn, CA

Some ICE vehicles now have an electric auxiliary heater in the HVAC system. This allows the vehicle to blow warm air into the cabin almost instantly upon starting the car, long before the combustion engine reaches its normal operating temperature.

 

[DonTom]

Some ICE vehicles now have an electric auxiliary heater in the HVAC system. This allows the vehicle to blow warm air into the cabin almost instantly upon starting the car, long before the combustion engine reaches its normal operating temperature.

It's about time they started to put some of the EV stuff into ICVs.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

Suspect teh same will happen with the Grand Cherokee in time.

A few years ago, I had to junk my running perfectly 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee because it could not pass the Reno smog test because of THREE bad C. Converters (two go into another one, IIRC) . The cost to replace all three was several thousand bucks. I would rather spend that money an a new EV . . . .

But I did get my money's worth out of that ICV, it had around 200K miles on it.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

A few years ago, I had to junk my running perfectly 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee because it could not pass the Reno smog test because of THREE bad C. Converters (two go into another one, IIRC) . The cost to replace all three was several thousand bucks. I would rather spend that money an a new EV . . . .

But I did get my money's worth out of that ICV, it had around 200K miles on it.

-Don- Auburn, CA

They no longer stick their electronic noses in our tail pipes

But I agree with you

 

[whiteva]

My MGB has a radio with an on/off/volume knob

Occasionally i think that is too much electronics.

 

[bigbAZ]

Some ICE vehicles now have an electric auxiliary heater in the HVAC system. This allows the vehicle to blow warm air into the cabin almost instantly upon starting the car, long before the combustion engine reaches its normal operating temperature.

Mercedes has been doing that in some of their vehicles (mostly diesels) since 2003. My 2010 Sprinter diesel has it. Some you can program to come on at a certain time. Not sure if mine can be, living in the desert I've never messed with it, it's more of a daily commute thing which I don't do.

But now I'm curious and going to have to check.

edit: as far as I can tell mine is strictly manual and won't even turn on unless the ambient is below a certain temp.

 

[DonTom]

Occasionally i think that is too much electronics.

It seems to me that there is more electronics and electrical stuff in ICVs than in EVs.

EVs have no starter, alternator, spark plugs, distributor, O2 sensors, MAP sensors, CPS, TPS and countless other electrical items that are not in EVs.

-Don- Auburn, CA