92% Of EV Owners Will Never Go Back To ICE-Only, New Study Finds

[rvlifer]

A family member just bought an ev and came up to visit. Their stress level around the trip was higher than normal cause they couldnt take the route they wanted and stressed the whole time about how to make sure they were able to charge the ev. They endef up staying an hour away and missing a lot of family time with us because of dealing with charging. We couldnt use their vehicle to do some things for fear we wouldnt find a charging station.

Probably a good chunk of that is because they arent used to how to manage it yet but it definitely is more stress and work in many parts of the country to own one. It will get better and easier but ut definitely isnt there yet.

Those guys raved about the ev when they first bought it in part cause it is a mercedes. After having it for a while they tand to talk about it in the negativw as much as they do the positive

 

[weighit]

Let me guess, they bought something other than a Tesla. The charging system Tesla has put out there is far superior to ANYTHING else for charging.

 

[rvlifer]

Let me guess, they bought something other than a Tesla. The charging system Tesla has put out there is far superior to ANYTHING else for charging.

Yep. It was a mercedes suv. They didnt have any trouble charging the thing that i know of. Their stress was all around making sure they could find chargers

Dont matter how good something is. If you cant find one even a tesla charger wont help

 

[weighit]

I decided to buy a new car to drag behind my motorhome and would jump at the chance to buy another Tesla but none of the pure electric vehices will tow behind flat. Ended up last week buying a Lincoln Nautilus hybrid that is flat towable. The moment any ev company makes one to flat tow, we will own it. Having my Model X for the past 5 years has showed me and my neighbors how nice it is to have my own "gas station" in my garage, just plug in and no longer even have to look at the prices of gas. That is until now again with this new car.

 

[weighit]

And count me into that 92% that would buy another ev in a second.

 

[old RV guy]

I decided to buy a new car to drag behind my motorhome and would jump at the chance to buy another Tesla but none of the pure electric vehices will tow behind flat. Ended up last week buying a Lincoln Nautilus hybrid that is flat towable. The moment any ev company makes one to flat tow, we will own it. Having my Model X for the past 5 years has showed me and my neighbors how nice it is to have my own "gas station" in my garage, just plug in and no longer even have to look at the prices of gas. That is until now again with this new car.

You left out the part where the convenience of never having to look at the price of gas in 2024 starts at $82,000 and that's the basic. I could run my Suburu on Chivas Regal for the difference in what that car and mine will cost over the lifetime of the vehicles and still come out ahead.

 

[tlmgcamp1]

Is this related to your earlier post about high fatality rate for Tesla? Can't switch back if you're dead.

 

[DonTom]

Teslas will but i am guessing not all evs will.

I think at least most EV cars will in one way or another, but in some it may require a subscription where it covers that and a lot more.

Most EV motorcycles will not. My older Energica has a way to do it with a mounted Smartphone on the bike, but it is flakey and I never used it and then Energica gave up on it too, even took out the Bluetooth which connected the info. to the Smartphone somehow. Anyway, for the motorcycles, I use a Garmin GPS with a directory I made for the type of compatible charge stations I could want to use. And I also can view Plugshare at anytime on my Smartphone or the small portable computer I take with me with my portable Verizon Hotspot.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

Those guys raved about the ev when they first bought it in part cause it is a mercedes.

See my message here. Probably the same problem.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[rvlifer]

See my message here. Probably the same problem.

-Don- Auburn, CA

They definitely bought it not knowing everything they were in for, and they are like most people who have a hard time not having an itinerary. They had to have everything planned.

I find the same thing with motorcycle rides. I have a hard time finding people who are comfortable just following the road wherever it leads. Some of that is riding ability and worrying about what they are gonna run into.

 

[ex-member]

EV's have their place. As a commuting vehicle or the typical family vehicle for around town. Even things like local mail vehicles, if the local Post Office has the room and resources to charge them Our local Post Office does not.
Another one is the local home remodeler or service person.
My wife and I have talked about replacing her 13 year old low mileage car many times.
And decided our best option would be a Hybrid.

Hard to say. From someone who has toured extensively all over North America with an electric I would choose electric over gas every time for any use sceenario we have been in….but only if the infrastructure is good. But without good infrastructure the hybrid is a good option. Fortunately so far the infrastructure has been adequate where we have travelled. I’m sure there are places and routes that lack modern infrastructure though. It all takes time.

 

[ex-member]

Yep. It was a mercedes suv. They didnt have any trouble charging the thing that i know of. Their stress was all around making sure they could find chargers

Dont matter how good something is. If you cant find one even a tesla charger wont help

True. But if they were in a tesla that wouldn’t happen. And the car would have planned the entire route for them. And if they had FSDS (full self drive supervised) the car would have driven the entire trip including to each supercharger…and backed into the charging stall of their choice all by itself. We do it every week.

 

[rvlifer]

Sounds like another example of things controlling peoples lives. That is a huge negative in my book.

 

[DonTom]

They definitely bought it not knowing everything they were in for,

I found the Mercedes Navigation less user-friendly than Tesla's, but I assumed charging info was there, so I tried. It took a few minutes, but I discovered the trick and how to find the DCFCs. Unfortunately, I cannot now remember what I did to find it in that rented car in my linked message.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[ex-member]

Sounds like another example of things controlling peoples lives. That is a huge negative in my book.

Not really. You can turn all that off and drive it like a gas car. But what’s the point. It’s a superior travelling experience. We’ve done it both ways. The tesla way is just more convenient.

 

[rvlifer]

I dont know what options were in the one they bought. Not a bad looking car but the big impression was that they worried far too much about the car and things in general and that i was glad i didnt have to think about all that stuff.

Evs arent a good option for where i live yet so probably gonna be a while before we own one.

 

[rvlifer]

Not really. You can turn all that off and drive it like a gas car. But what’s the point. It’s a superior travelling experience. We’ve done it both ways. The tesla way is just more convenient.

Some people value that stuff and some dont. I fall into the latter category cause i dont drive enough that i would appreciate it and it isnt worth the cost to replace what i have. I like muscle cars so when the ice era is over part of me will be sad.

I dont know what you mean by "superior travelling experience". Bmw is supposed to be the ultimate driving experience but rhey never appealed to me either.

 

[ex-member]

Some people value that stuff and some dont. I fall into the latter category cause i dont drive enough that i would appreciate it and it isnt worth the cost to replace what i have. I like muscle cars so when the ice era is over part of me will be sad.

I dont know what you mean by "superior travelling experience". Bmw is supposed to be the ultimate driving experience but rhey never appealed to me either.

Yah for sure and kudos for making something you like last.

For us the tesla is just a better travelling and driving experience. Especially in winter. But that’s us. If you enjoy what you are driving than no need to buy something else.

 

[John From Detroit]

That study being from the totally 100% objective "Global EV Alliance", we promise, scouts honor, cross our hearts and hope to die.

And most studies are financed by folks like the surviving KOCH brother (The other one died of natural causes) and others like them.. Now what makes me thing a KOCH funded study might also be biased?????

There are basically two types of drivers.. Those who rarley drive more than 100-200 miles in a day and those who DRIVE!!! Hundreds of miles.

400 miles, which is the range of many ICE vehicles on a tank of petrol and close to the range of some EV's (They are getting better) Is about 8 hours freeway driving with stopps to eat and dispose of waste products. (How's that for a clean way to say it?) and then overnight charging.

But for most drivers in the under 200/day and park at home. EV's are amazing. No need for a "Charging station" on the road.. Just your gargage (Though I'd go with a Detached one if I had an EV. not that ICE cars do not sometimes "Flame On" (Seen it happen several times.. Including one of mine though the flames self-extinguished andit cost me less than 10 bucks to fix)

 

[old RV guy]

And most studies are financed by folks like the surviving KOCH brother (The other one died of natural causes) and others like them.. Now what makes me thing a KOCH funded study might also be biased?????

There are basically two types of drivers.. Those who rarley drive more than 100-200 miles in a day and those who DRIVE!!! Hundreds of miles.

400 miles, which is the range of many ICE vehicles on a tank of petrol and close to the range of some EV's (They are getting better) Is about 8 hours freeway driving with stopps to eat and dispose of waste products. (How's that for a clean way to say it?) and then overnight charging.

But for most drivers in the under 200/day and park at home. EV's are amazing. No need for a "Charging station" on the road.. Just your gargage (Though I'd go with a Detached one if I had an EV. not that ICE cars do not sometimes "Flame On" (Seen it happen several times.. Including one of mine though the flames self-extinguished andit cost me less than 10 bucks to fix)

I don't think the EV batteries in cars are the type that are causing the fires. There's an issue with the ebikes though. Some complexes in NYC don't allow ebikes in the bldg. due to the fire hazard.
Otherwise, EV's are the perfect commuter vehicle for urban areas, it's the public charging infrastructure holding them back outside densely populated sections of the country. No app in the world is going to guide you to a charging station which isn't there and most people aren't that into driving 20 miles off their route so they can sit for an hour at a charger in Podunk, USA. Range anxiety is a serious issue holding the industry back.