About to purchase Diesel Pusher but so worried HELP anyone?

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Keeter59

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My wife is active duty military and has received orders to a US/Mexico border town for 2 years.  My children will be seniors in high school and don't want to leave.  We plan to travel tons after they go off to college.  Our plan is to have her live on the military base's family campground for the 2 years while I stay with the kids. (I play taxi now soccer and gymnastics) so I will be staying with them, since I am 100% disabled retired after finding the business end of four AK-47 rounds in Afghanistan.  We are wanting a diesel pusher but . . . oh man . . . are there tons of things to consider.  Our budget is $90,000 and we don't want to a rig older than 2005.  We have found over 200 rigs on-line that fit our parameters.  Anything from Fleetwood, Newmar, Forest River and others.  My question, and I truly realize it is a VERY ambiguous one, but if YOU had to choose a RV for your mother (assuming you like your mother) which one would you buy?  I know it all depends on what we are looking for in the coach, but I need to know which is best underneath all the bows and ribbons.  I not so concerned with the number of sinks or the cabinet space.  I am more concerned with how the walls are built, what the roof is like, how are the end-caps made, etc.  Basically, since I am on retirement salary and my wife is on military salary, we don't have the money to "fix up" an RV we just bought.  So I guess the question is, for a 36-45 foot, 2005 to 2010 year, what is YOUR BEST diesel pusher made?
 
Hi Keeter and welcome to The RV Forum. A big thanks to you and your wife for your service to our country, and sorry to hear about the injury that forced retirement.

You sure asked a tough question; We all have our own biases, but it's tough to pick a single manufacturer. You can't really go wrong with DPs made by (alphabetical order): American Coach (Fleetwod), Country Coach, Monaco (includes Beaver, Monaco, Holiday Rambler), Tiffin (Alegro), or Winnebago. There are others, but these are the brands I've looked closely at &/or visted the factory &/or have the experience of friends or forum members. OTOH you're sure to find someone who bought a lemon made by almost any manufacturer.

One caveat - I haven't shopped for an RV in some time, and I'm not current with prices in the used market.

I'm sure others will jump in.
 
Thanks for the quick reply.  I guess we never sleep!  I realize everyone has their own opinion on the question I posed but I figured that I could compile a list of the most popular answers and hey . . . it's hard to go wrong with so many with the same answers, right??
Oh yes, and thank you for your kind words regarding my misfortune in the "sand box"
 
Don't dispair!  In general any of the upper end coaches you mentioned will be good. As Tom said you can find a lemon anywhere.

The best thing that you can do and most important is figure out the floorplan that suits you the best and don't worry so much about brand. Stick with the higher end rigs, But (and I can't stress this enough) FLOORPLAN IS EVERYTHING!!

Go sit in a few coaches, Act like its yours. Pretend to go through the motions of your daily routine. Decide where you will put things. Lay in the bed, Watch a little TV. If the salesman thinks you are weird, so what. It's not his money.

Start making a list of must haves and nice to haves, then find the coach that fits your list 100%

After doing all this you may have a pretty good idea of what will work and what won't. It will help you to narrow down the selection.

Hope this helps.

Steve
 
The advice that concerns me most...is staying on the base campgrounds full time...
I've used the Fort Sam campgrounds[ and they are very nice] but there was a time limit..they are trying to allow use by all visitors..
When I out-stayed that it was a simple thing to use a local campground..the one I chose was not fancy but had all I needed and on a long term rate was almost comparable to the military's tho not near as nice.

Good luck

George
 
If it will be parked in a campground and not not moved for a significant period of time, a class A may not be the best choice. Especially with a diesel. They like to be driven.

You might want to consider a TT or fifth wheel. You will be able to find a lot more living space for a lot less money. Even if you do not currently own a suitable tow vehicle, you could have it delivered to the campground.

Joel
 
My concern is parking the motorhome for 2 years with using it.  That's the worst thing you can do to a motorhome.  You would be better to get a trailer (TT or 5th wheel) now and sell it when you're ready to start traveling and get the motorhome.
 
Agree with those concerned about parking it for two years, a long time without being used and things dry out, become dormant, and MH  like to have parts exercised and lubricated regularly.  I would also opt for very nice, spacious 5th wheel to park and then when you're ready to hit the road, go for the Diesel Pusher and even then with price of diesel, it's a bit expensive to travel a lot of the time.  Lots to consider but as Will Rogers said, if you want first quality oats you have to be willing to pay a fair price but if you can be satisfied with it after it's been through the horse,  you can get it a lot cheaper.  We have a Tiffin Allegro Bus, like it a lot but there's usually something that needs to be repaired or replaced.  You just can't put your house on wheels, drive down the road at 70 mph and not expect to have a repair of some kind.  And there are so many variables in all of the systems - especially electric, electronic, plumbing, heating, AC, refrigeration, and then there's the engine with all those parts (and I am no mechanic, just the driver) propane, inverter, black and grey water tanks, sewer connections and on and on.  More like a big boat than a house but comfortable.
 
There is plenty of experience here and very good advice. As you shop and gain more information, please keep us  informed of your progress. Remember, we have all gone through what you are experiencing.  Don?t rely on sales person for any information. I don?t want to say that they are all dishonest but I think you should be given something like your Miranda rights before you talk to one.

As one disabled Veteran to another, thank you for your service. My wife and I have owned a RV Trailer, gas class A and now a diesel motorhome.  I was assigned to Fort Bliss while in the Army and also was a Customs Inspector on the southern border. If I can be of any assistance don?t hesitate to ask.
 
Obviously there are many options for you and there may be more than one good one.  But most people who have bought more than one RV will tell you that the first one was valuable since it showed them what they really wanted and they took care of those concerns on their second purchase.  You might want to get whatever you get, with the idea that you would use it for two years and then, based on what you have learend about size, floorplan and features, you would be much better prepared for the next one.  If you buy with the idea that you will not be traveling much for two years and buy someting that you can resell for $10,000 less than you paid for it, you might end up with something pretty close to prefect with the second one.  The more you pay for this one, the more it will probably depreciate.  It is really almost impossible to get it all right on the first one.  There is just no good reference point when you haven't been traveling and living in an RV.
 
Welcome to the forum. I can not help you with the diesel pusher much as I have no desire to own one (have a 1977 GMC 26 foot with a gas 455 Front wheel drive and love it) but would like to echo the comments above. motorhomes are meant to be driven. It saddens me to see them parked in a permanent lot with porches and storage barns built around them.
and (even though I am in Canada) thanks for the service to country.

If this is the first rig you have purchased you will hate it very soon. well hate is a strong word. you WILL find things wrong with the layout. things that keep you up at night. silly little things like no end table on the right side of the bed. or the sink being to close to the couch. or the shower being to low to stand up in.

As a personal opinion (which is what you are asking for) You might be better off buying a used 5th wheel or bumper pull for the short term. however you do run the risk of getting "stuck" with it at the end of 2 years. however the purchase price will be lower.

As for construction. look for units built with aluminium framing. (winnie come to mind. as is my 77 GMC) We had a wood construction Class C with water damage as our very first rig. we spent 3 times what the unit was worth rebuilding it to be able to use it, wood rots. I am glad we did what we did because it taught us a lot about what to REALLY look for in our next one.

Now if your set on getting the DP then try and plan as many as possible weekend or longer trips away from the "seasonal" lot. that will help keep things moving.

Good luck and have fun.
 
All the 2005 and later DPs will have pretty good construction (no wood framing, for example) and a number of them will share essentially the same chassis underneath. If you stick with the higher end brands that Tom Mentioned, they should be fundamentally good. The rest is in the details, e.g. how well-maintained it was, variations in appliances, mileage, etc. Mileage itself is not a big concern in a DP - they are quite robust - but is often an indication about how the rig was employed. Frequent travel vs sits a lot.

If your wife is going to live mostly by herself for two years, you might want to rethink the strategy and get a less expensive coach, maybe a gas chassis, and then re-evaluate the size, type, layout, etc. after she has two years experience under her belt. Maintenance is less on a gas chassis as well and you won't need the benefits of a diesel chassis, air suspension, etc. while it is parked. Yeah, it will cost you some to trade later, but you should have saved substantially in the interim. Initial cost would be much less (under $50k) and less maintenance cost and headaches.

I agree with the others that a trailer would be better if she will be in a fixed location for two years - why maintain and insure a motorized vehicle - but if she has to move it from place to place or even site to site, maybe the increased mobility is worth it. On the other hand, you can hire a profession RV mover if needed.
 
I know you are looking for info on Diesel Pushers and have gotten some good ideas/advice.  However one thing I want to point out is whatever you get be sure and get dual pane windows, and if getting a 5th wheel or trailer, a 4 season rated one.  Also be sure to get 50 amp with 2 air conditioners with heat pumps.  It gets very hot at the US/Mexico border and one AC will most likely not keep it cool.  The heat pumps will keep the unit warm and not eat up a lot of propane.

If you do decide to get a DP, like a previous poster, we have an Allegro Bus made by Tiffin.  The great thing about Tiffin is that they have excellent parts and service help. 

I too want to thank you for your service to our country!

Marsha~
 
Having full timed in two diesel coaches for the last two and a half years, and having spent a considerable amount of that time in the south and west, let me echo what some of the others have suggested, and answering your question about what I would buy for my mother:

A well maintained and suitably weatherized travel trailer or fifth wheel. The insulation and two air conditioners are really going to be critical in that climate to make that rig liveable.

Leaving a motorhome in place for two years, especially a diesel, is a tremendous waste of resources, considering insurance and the fact it will not be exercised. Very detrimental to your investment.

As suggested, make a reasonable purchase for something that can be towed in, then move into something larger and motorized for the long haul. It's bad enough to eat normal depreciation and wear and tear, but to not have the full benefit of a motorized motorhome for two years might be a lot more expensive than it looks.

Whatever you do, weigh the overall investment in time and money and see what it looks like at the end of the two year tunnel. You may surprise yourself with your research.

And, one vet to another, thank you both for your service.
 
I have a little different viewpoint on your situation than the other posters have expressed so far. It may or may not make sense to you but here it is.

Buy what you want the first time. Don't make a plan to fail. You're 40 some odd years old. You've slept in dozens of beds. You've cooked in dozens of kitchens, used bathrooms, and dining rooms in dozens of houses or apartments. You already know if you want a bedside area to put a clock and your book at night. This is one reason we wanted a Queen bed rather than king. Kings typically have no bedside table. You already know if you can live with two burners or if you really want to burn cook gravy, corn, and boil potatoes at the same time every so often. You know already if you and the wife like to sit in recliners or couches. You know if you like a dinette with benches or a table and chairs. Do you want to use the toilet while the wife showers? Some couples do, some don't, but you already know what you two do. You already have a good idea that the kids will occasionally come visit. While you won't be buying something with a guest bedroom, you know you'll want some type of pullout bed.

So, sit down and talk about what you really want, make a list of those things and then look at a bunch of motorhomes. See how well they fit the list. When you're looking at MH's look at high end and low end. Take pictures with your digital camera. Make a note of which MH model each set of pictures is of. Compare the cabinetry, flooring, electrical compartments, the quality will stand out. Go back home and think about it. Talk about the different things you saw. Look at the pictures and see how they match up to the home you have now. Is there something that stands out as markedly different, other than size, that is good or bad? Write these things down, you'll never remember them all.

You should have a good idea of what kind of camping you'll be doing when full retirement comes. For my wife and I we lived in WA state most of our lives. We knew we would never be spending time in snow or cold weather once retired. We see 32 degrees for maybe a week each year. For us a "4 season" package, extra tank heaters, or added insulation wasn't worth the extra money or bother. If you intend to tour the country and don't mind being in the northern states and seeing the snow or rain or other weather, then that might be a consideration for you.

Do you enjoy dry camping for weeks at a time in remote areas or are you going to drive from RV resort to RV resort? If you do like to dry camp, then learn about generators, charging systems, multiple battery setups, etc. We don't dry camp often with our MH so that wasn't a large concern in our coach. We do however spend summers on the boat and sit for a week or longer at anchor in quiet remote bays. So on the boat we spent a lot of energy understanding the systems available and picking the right one for us. Again, you've lived enough life to know what you want to do. When you buy a MH, buy one that fits your lifestyle.

Just as an extra hint here, if one of you is a compromiser, always giving in to the others desires, that person needs to know that now it the time to be assertive and say he/she doesn't like something. Once you move into the box it's not the time to find out that the other person really did want a window on their side. So, brutal honesty.

Now you have a pretty good idea of what you want, what is available, and you should have a list of must haves. You can now narrow your search to a few makes and models that fit your requirements. Use those makes and models as your seach criteria for finding the right deal for you.

Now, someone said diesel pushers like to be used, and I agree. I didn't see anything in your post that said it was going to sit for 2 years without moving. Your wife sounds like a capable person. She can certainly take it out for a weekend camping with friends. You and the kids can certainly go down to visit and go for a vacation. Your wife does get leave, doesn't she? The kids do get vacations from school. What makes your situation any different than thousands of other folks who still work for a living and take their diesel MH's out for weekends and vacations? DP's aren't just for us retired folks who can go places more often. I think a DP is just fine for what you have planned.

Thanks again for your service and sacrifice. We'll see you on down the road in a couple years,

Ken

 
I tend to agree with Captsteve above. Floor plan is everything. But here is a tidbit to tuck away while you are shopping.  The size of the bed can be critical. You spend about 30% of your time laying in it, so it has to be right.  In RV's sometimes there is something known as a "RV Queen". What that means is that the bed may be queen width, but it may be 4 to 8 inches shorter than a regular queen bed.  If you are over 6' like me, a RV Queen (or RV King) just doesn't get it. 

Most pushers are considered higher end on the motor home scale, and thus SHOULD have a full length bed, but don't count on it.  Ask those questions first, and take a tape measure with you when you go look at it to be sure. 

Good luck, and thank you for serving this great country of ours. 

Sarge
 
Thanks for all who have given their advise.  The DP will not be just sitting all the time for 2 years.  She will be going out on occasion just like most non-fulltimers do.  I don't want to purchase something just to sell it in 2 years to get something else.  So I am back to the original question.  IF you were going to purchase a DP for your mother (assuming you still love her) and you had a budget of $90,000 and you want to get the latest year possible and 36-40ft.  WHICH one would YOU pick.  I plan to simply add up the number of Winnebago's listed and the number of Newmar's listed, etc.  If enough people tell me what they would get then I will have a pretty good idea of what the experienced RVers would choose.  Make sense??  Clear as mud?  One other idea I had is with the heat of south Texas, do you think a basement AC system would be better?

So please folks, let me see YOUR list of the TOP 5
 
Stay far away from Basement A/C! many people that have it find that they have to add a roof unit to help it keep up.


As far as your question, Any of the higher end coaches you mentioned would be a great choice. It all boils down to what features you want. Again I say Floorplan is king here.

In the years that you will be looking at most DP coaches use all the same stuff, chassis , appliances ect. Look at cabinet construction for a give away on quality, Most will be solid wood.

As far as someone telling you that one is better than another, it's not really gonna happen. It's like my ford is better than your chevy.

In a gasser you would find more help staying away from cheaply made units because there are some made for weekend and some made for fulltime use. But that is not so much an issue in a DP.

Find the one that makes you and DW smile, get it checked out, buy it, enjoy it.

Steve
 
We have the Coleman basement AC / heat pump and love it because of it's low noise , we have been in Illinois with high 90's high humidity and AZ with temps over 100 and been quite comfortable.
 
I plan to simply add up the number of Winnebago's listed and the number of Newmar's listed, etc.

I think that approach is a crap shoot at best - you are talking about a popularity contest here. Most everybody loves their own rig - or at least has deluded themselves into believing they bought the best. Plus, another person's measure of "best" may have little in common with your own criteria.

Furthermore, most RV manufacturers make a wide variety of models, in multiple price ranges and therefore multiple levels of design and build quality. A Fleetwood Bounder diesel is not even in the same league as a Fleetwood American Eagle, for example.  Amenities is aprt of the price and build difference, but it goes much deeper than that.

You also seem bent on getting the newest coach possible, but that is counter to getting the best one possible. Newer costs more and quality costs more, so each is a tradeoff against the other. A $90k budget and year 2005 or newer probably is going to exclude many of the "best" we could recommend. You probably won't find a used upper-end Monaco, Newmar, or Fleetwood-American Coach for that price. You could probably get a 2003 or 2004, though. I think, however, you can get a pretty good 2005 Winnebago or Itasca top-end model for right around that figure, or a mid range Monaco/Holiday Rambler or Fleetwood Providence/Excursion. All good coaches is well-maintained.

Since you have determined to follow bucks2's approach, I hope you will take the rest of his advice to heart because it is excellent. You must be exceedingly well-disciplined to buy the right RV the first time and you also have to be able to imagine what it is like to live long term in 400 sq ft. Most people have difficulty with one or both of those two things, but it can be done.


With your parameters as given, I would probably be shopping for a 2005-2006 Monaco Diplomat, Holiday Endeavor, Winnebago Vectra or Itasca Horizon, Newmar Dutch Star or Kountry Star.
 

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