Article On Tesla Warranty/Mileage

[Larry N.]

I just spotted this article on Ars-Technica, for what it's worth to you folks: Tesla odometer uses “predictive algorithms” to void warranty, lawsuit claims

 

[Onyrlef]

Somebody's fixin' to be on a plane to El Salvador.

 

[John From Detroit]

Sadly.. Onyrief may be correct.

IF it can be proven that's going to be one 7734 of a class action law suit.

Use Google to get the millage. Record start and end of trip. Keep a PAPER log
"Google says this trip took 20 miles. Car says 40" starting at xxxxxx nd ending at xxxxyy)

 

[DonTom]

I just spotted this article on Ars-Technica, for what it's worth to you folks: Tesla odometer uses “predictive algorithms” to void warranty, lawsuit claims

Between my driveway here and in Auburn, I have checked the distance on every vehicle I own in the same direction. They all say from 99.0 (Tesla) to 102.5 miles (Triumph Trophy SE). Tesla gives me the lowest reading of all my vehicles. So I call BS unless something has changed since 2018 (my Tesla M3).

The ones that add the most miles are European vehicles by far. That is because the odometer works from the speedometer. Europe uses speed cameras on their freeways just about everywhere, so they want the vehicle to read the MPH as being higher than the actual speed.

I find the most accurate speedometers to be in the USA made vehicles, such as my Harley, Tesla, Zero motorcycles. As compared to a GPS, which all my vehicles have. Even USA vehicles read around 1 MPH high, and that is because it is illegal for a speedometer to read low in a new vehicle in the USA. So the USA uses about one MPH over reality. Many European vehicles read at least 5 MPH higher than the real speed when above 60 MPH or so.

If they guy is complaining about 1 MPH higher than reality, perhaps he has a case if he is less than 100 miles or so over the allowed warranty distance. But Tesla will be found to be closer than most other vehicles.

I hear often that when just a day or a few miles over the warranty, it is often covered anyway, at least with other dealers. I would expect Tesla to operate the same way.

I doubt many car manufacturers want to be known for their cars crapping out one day or one mile after the warranty expires.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Chef Duane]

Remember those "speedometer check' signs that used to be on the highway? Maybe Tesla owners should seek those out and run an actual test.

 

[DonTom]

Remember those "speedometer check' signs that used to be on the highway? Maybe Tesla owners should seek those out and run an actual test.

I have not seen those for quite a while.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Onyrlef]

Any run of the mill gps device will give speed and distance traveled with near absolute accuracy. Hard to argue with a vector.
Otherwise, the notion that a billionaire's army of incel tech bro's would devise a scheme to defraud the public is on it's merit's unbelievable.

 

[DonTom]

Any run of the mill gps device will give speed and distance traveled with near absolute accuracy.

If you know how to use it. If a route is not set, it shows as the crow flies for distances. If a route is set, it will always show a longer distance as that will be the actual road distance.

For both to match, the road would have to be perfectly straight and that doesn't happen for any reasonable distance.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Onyrlef]

If you know how to use it. If a route is not set, it shows as the crow flies for distances. If a route is set, it will always show a longer distance as that will be the actual road distance.

For both to match, the road would have to be perfectly straight and that doesn't happen for any reasonable distance.

-Don- Reno, NV

That's complete nonsense, route has nothing to do with it, even though you're wrong about that as well. The GPS is vectoring the vehicles position on the ground in real time. Time over distance gives speed. The aggregate is distance traveled. Easy-peasy, not brain surgery. Just compare the gps data with that on the vehicles odometer, if they're close it's all good.

 

[DonTom]

That's complete nonsense, route has nothing to do with it,

Or you only referring to the MPH? If so, yes, that is always accurate.

Otherwise,

It has everything to do with it, the distance ALWAYS increases after the route is set. At least on every one of my more than a dozen Garmin GPS units--no exceptions on any of the Garmin models except if the road to the destination is perfectly straight, which rarely happens.

Set GPS to go anywhere that is a saved location. And look at the distance to get there before a route is set and then select it and see the distance increase. In many cases, it is more than double the distance for the EXACT same spot as a destination.

I have a Garmin GPS in my hand right now. I am now checking the distance to King's Beach, CA. 25 miles before a route is set (as the crow flies). Now I select the exact same location for a route, It is now 45 miles. A difference of 20 miles. How can you say that is the same distance?

-Don- Reno, NV (25 miles to King's beach if flying, 45 miles via car).

 

[Chef Duane]

I am now checking the distance to King's Beach, CA. 25 miles before a route is set (as the crow flies). Now I select the exact same location for a route, It is now 45 miles. A difference of 20 miles. How can you say that is the same distance?

-Don- Reno, NV (25 miles to King's beach if flying, 45 miles via car).

Just wondering here but maybe.... RV's don't travel in the air and airplanes don't fly over the roads? Just a guess.

 

[Onyrlef]

Or you only referring to the MPH? If so, yes, that is always accurate.

Otherwise,

It has everything to do with it, the distance ALWAYS increases after the route is set. At least on every one of my more than a dozen Garmin GPS units--no exceptions on any of the Garmin models except if the road to the destination is perfectly straight, which rarely happens.

Set GPS to go anywhere that is a saved location. And look at the distance to get there before a route is set and then select it and see the distance increase. In many cases, it is more than double the distance for the EXACT same spot as a destination.

I have a Garmin GPS in my hand right now. I am now checking the distance to King's Beach, CA. 25 miles before a route is set (as the crow flies). Now I select the exact same location for a route, It is now 45 miles. A difference of 20 miles. How can you say that is the same distance?

-Don- Reno, NV (25 miles to King's beach if flying, 45 miles via car).

If your Garmin or any other gps is giving you mph then it's calculating that over distance traveled in time, not by magic. It doesn't make a difference what route if any is plugged in. If your car tells you you've traveled 40 miles and the gps tells you it was 30, then your car is wrong, end of story. Route is a red herring ie., it has nothing to do with the fact that a gps will give you accurate speed and distance traveled over the ground. Have a great day.

 

[Tom]

OK folks, let's cool it and don't let this get personal.

 

[DonTom]

Just wondering here but maybe.... RV's don't travel in the air and airplanes don't fly over the roads? Just a guess.

The GPS has no way to determine the distance if it doesn't know if you're hiking in a straight line or must take roads. When a route is set, it then knows what you want and if the GPS can be set for hiking the distance will be different than for the roads.

But all this has nothing to do with the MPH indicated as that is always accurate.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[John From Detroit]

Just wondering here but maybe.... RV's don't travel in the air and airplanes don't fly over the roads? Just a guess.

No reason you can't make a flying "RV" in fact Air Force 1 and 2... basically are.

And many private pilots fly I. F. R. 1 .. (The original IFR not the modern "instrument flight rules) Also known as I Follow Roads and Concrete compass.

 

[Larry N.]

(The original IFR not the modern "instrument flight rules) Also known as I Follow Roads and Concrete compass.

IFR == I Follow Roads, Railroads and Rivers...

 

[Chef Duane]

My comment was in the context of the discussion of the Garmin GPS thread. Saying "airplanes don't fly over the roads" I meant literally. If you were VFR and tracking an interstate due north and needed to go west I don't reckon you would wait for a cloverleaf and execute a right 270.

 

[Derby6]

OK folks, let's cool it and don't let this get personal.

LoL. Almost EVERY thread in this EV section turns into a pro/con political argument.

 

[Jackiemac]

Regarding the Google maps comment from Don.

If I put in a destination into Google maps, it will show mileage and ETA. However, often when I hit the button to start the directions, these 2 numbers very often change and are usually higher.

I think this may be what he is referring to.

This creates arguments as I tell Steve the info and then it changes and he doesn't believe it was Google

 

[tlmgcamp1]

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