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It depends upon intent and purpose of use. A hammer is just a hammer but if used in an assault it is then technically an "assault hammer" as its intent is to harm. Just because something can be used in an assault does not mean it was made specifically for that purpose.

A Corvette being driven at 150MPH is just a car going fast (hopefully on a track) but if the driver then careens into a group of people do we now call all Corvettes "assault cars"? Or for that matter all cars as they all can be used in an assault?
Yes. They can all be classified as deadly weapons.
 
Yeah right, that's why wannabee's are tripping over themselves to buy real imitation army man assault weapons and large capacity magazines, so they can hunt varmits. Cos everybody knows you need a hundred rd. magazine and a bump stock to hunt rabbits.
What did we know back in the 60's when we hunted squirrel with a .22.
But then again, we could shoot.
You guys with your gaslighting bs are a hoot anyway.
I hunted many a squirrel with my tube load .22 in the 70s . Took 5 minutes just to load the damn thing. I still have it.
 
Yeah right, that's why wannabee's are tripping over themselves to buy real imitation army man assault weapons and large capacity magazines, so they can hunt varmits. Cos everybody knows you need a hundred rd. magazine and a bump stock to hunt rabbits.
What did we know back in the 60's when we hunted squirrel with a .22.
But then again, we could shoot.
You guys with your gaslighting bs are a hoot anyway.
Why do I bother. I can't have a level conversation with someone who is stuck in 'repeat'.

I already said I don't own one because I have no need for one, nor the desire just to blow away $100 worth of ammo at the range every time I go. I do, however, understand the attraction. I also understand that the vast majority of people who purchase one do so with the simple innocent intention of doing just that...going to the range or somewhere just for plinking and target shooting. It's the 1/1000 of 1% nutjobs that have turned a certain section of the population into know-nothing citizens who simply spout the rhetoric of the anti-gun group.

I did my 25 years in the military. I have no interest in obtaining a knock-off, pretend version of a weapon that I carried for so many years. But if someone wants to buy one, I say have at it. The other 999/1000 of 1% of them shouldn't be stomped on because they have done nothing to deserve it.
 
One of the things taught in my army infantry training was that almost any item can be used as a weapon. And just about every item has been. Includes computers like the ones we're using now.

Also butter knives.

-Don- Reno, NV

It's like having a conversation in an old folks home where someone brings up a topic and then forgets what they're talking about and then brings it up 2 minutes later.

Almost any item? Really? Like a hand, or a Corvette or a butter knife? Amazing! Is that why assault rifles and assault weapons shouldn't be banned? You don't say...
 
Is that why assault rifles and assault weapons shouldn't be banned?
Why ban them? So only criminals will own such or is there another reason? And how would you define "assault weapon"?

And since a lot more murders are done with handguns than with all types of rifles combined, shouldn't they be banned first? And then the knives?

-Don- Reno, NV
 
Why ban them? So only criminals will own such or is there another reason? And how would you define "assault weapon"?

And since a lot more murders are done with handguns than with all types of rifles combined, shouldn't they be banned first? And then the knives?

-Don- Reno, NV

Because it works really well for Australia including other gun control measures. The US is unique in that gun violence is so high and guns are so relatively unregulated. You'd think common sense would prevail when there are working examples across the world.
 
Seems to be working pretty well alright:




 
Find Australia on the graph:

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Now Find Australia on this graph:

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Find Australia on this graph too:

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Oh, interesting. Just for fun, find California. Hmm, doesn't fit the false gun-nut narrative on gun control does it.

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If anyone wants to bring up mental illness, well, just stop typing and read this:


COMPARING MENTAL ILLNESS, GUN VIOLENCE IN THE U.S., AUSTRALIA AND U.K.​

Mental illness rates were 15.7 percent in the U.S., 17.6 percent in Australia and 13.8 percent in the U.K. in 2019. Yet, the U.S. had 10 times higher death rates from gun violence than Australia and 40 times higher death rates than the U.K.

BY GISELE GALOUSTIAN | 12/11/2023

Considerable attention has focused on mental illness as a major contributor to homicides in the United States. Serious mental illness affects more than 14 million Americans ages 18 and older and nearly 58 million people reported having a mental illness.

In 2021, 47,286 Americans died from gun violence – the highest ever – of which 46 percent were homicides and 54 percent were suicides involving firearms.

Researchers from Florida Atlantic University’s Schmidt College of Medicine and collaborators compared deaths from mental illness and gun violence in the U.S., Australia and the United Kingdom and their clinical and public health challenges. Their findings were published online ahead of print in The American Journal of Medicine .

Results show that in the U.S., there are approximately 393 million guns owned among the general population of about 335 million people or 1.2 guns per person. In Australia, there are 3.5 million guns among a population of 26.4 million or about 0.13 guns per person, likely a result of new gun laws passed in 2021. In 2022, the U.K. launched a successful gun reform campaign, which included banning assault weapons and handguns.

Findings also reveal that in 2019, self-reports of mental illness were 15.7 percent in the U.S., 17.6 percent in Australia and 13.8 percent in the U.K.

“The U.S. is experiencing more than 10 times higher death rates from gun violence than Australia and more than 40 times higher death rates than the U.K.,” said Charles H. Hennekens, M.D., Dr.PH., co-author, First Sir Richard Doll Professor of Medicine and senior academic advisor in the FAU Schmidt College of Medicine. “The comparisons between Australia and the U.K. indicate that mental illness is not a major contributor to the increasing trends in death from gun violence in the U.S.”

The researchers suggest that the high rates of gun ownership and access to firearms and not mental illness are plausible but unproven explanations. Furthermore, they opine that if mental illness, which is similar in the three countries, played a major role in gun homicides, one would expect gun homicide rates to be comparably similar. In fact, gun homicide rates are vastly different between the U.S., Australia and the U.K.

“People with serious mental illness have a markedly reduced life expectancy of 15 to 20 percent, dying in their late 50s compared with the late 70s for the general population. They also commit suicide at about 10 times the rate of their about 1 percent prevalence in the general population and many of these suicides are due to gun violence,” said Stuart Goldman, M.D., co-author, professor of psychiatry and founding program director emeritus, psychiatry residency, Department of Clinical Neurosciences, FAU Schmidt College of Medicine. “Individuals with serious mental illness also have higher risks of committing lethal violence, however, these absolute risks are very low and result in modest contributions to societal homicides. Active, untreated symptoms appear to be the strongest risk factor as well as symptoms of substance misuse or inadequate or delayed.”

The researchers also compared the rates of gun-related deaths in the U.S. by state, revealing large differences. Gun-related deaths are the lowest in Massachusetts (3.4 per 100,000); Hawaii (4.0 per 100,000); New Jersey (5.2 per 100,000); New York (5.4 per 100,000); and Rhode Island (5.6 per 100,000). Massachusetts has the lowest rates of gun ownership and deaths from gun violence in the nation.

In contrast, the highest rates of gun-related deaths are in Mississippi (33.9 per 100,000); Louisiana (29.1 per 100,000); New Mexico (27.8 per 100,000); Alabama (26.4 per 100,000) and Wyoming (26.1 per 100,000). Moreover, the difference in the rate of gun-related deaths between U.S. states is more than six times higher than the difference in mental illness.

The researchers opine that attempts at combatting the epidemic of U.S. homicides and suicides from gun violence without addressing guns is tantamount to attempts at combatting the epidemic of deaths from lung cancer from smoking without addressing cigarettes.

Study co-authors are Michelle Berglass, a pre-med student at the University of Florida; Dennis G. Maki, M.D., Ovid O. Myer Professor of Medicine, University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health; and Sarah K. Wood, M.D., director, Harvard Macy Institute, Harvard Medical School, and former vice dean, professor and chair, Women’s and Children’s Health, FAU Schmidt College of Medicine.

Maki and Hennekens both trained at Harvard after serving together for two years as lieutenant commanders in the U.S. Public Health Service as epidemic intelligence service (EIS) officers with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). They served under Alexander D. Langmuir, M.D., who created the EIS and epidemiology program at the CDC, and Donald A. Henderson, M.D., chief of the Virus Disease Surveillance Program at the CDC.

-FAU-
 
Did someone say knife crime in Australia? Hook your peepers on this.

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Still with me chief? You need a plunger yet?

Back in 2016 there was a claim made that UK knife violence is way worse than in the US because they don't have guns. Isn't true now and wasn't true back then:

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Still with me chief? You need a plunger yet?
Sorry, I don't know what that means. But considering the distain you have for your fellow citizens, I'm sure it's meant to be derogatory.

But your suggestion is that we now need to have an assault knife ban?

PS: Considering that the US has about 5 times as many residents as the UK it's not surprising that we have more knife attacks. Run down the percentage figures for me, will ya?
 
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Because it works really well for Australia including other gun control measures.
Does Australia have (or ever had) more guns than people as does the USA?

Do you have an idea that could make 400 million guns disappear? If you do, also use the same idea on street drugs, booze and the countless other things that kill more people than the misuse of firearms.

-Don- Reno, NV
 
Does Australia have (or ever had) more guns than people as does the USA?

Do you have an idea that could make 400 million guns disappear? If you do, also use the same idea on street drugs, booze and the countless other things that kill more people than the misuse of firearms.

-Don- Reno, NV
Ban Corvettes? LOL!!!
 
If you do, also use the same idea on street drugs, booze and the countless other things that kill more people than the misuse of firearms.

I'll play-
-abortions
-doctors/prescription drugs
-suppression of known but non-profitable treatments for just about every disease
-vaccines
-job stress
-highly processed food
-warmongering, money laundering politicians
-ignorance
Another specious argument. Not relevant to the conversion.
 
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