Battleborn Battery Safety Issue

a small solar build. Bought 3 320 watt panels yesterday.
Three 320 watt panels (960 watts) isn't what I would consider "small". Are they mounted or external?

How many AH is your Chinese battery/batteries? Do you run a lot of high current stuff?

Are you headed for Quartzsite or somewhere else?

I am at Twin Buttes RV (park) located right in the middle between the towns of Bisbee & Douglas, AZ ---for a month. Cheap place to stay with full hookups, $400.00 for a month.

I have boondocked a lot in AZ too, Cinder Hills (11 miles NE of Flagstaff) when the weather is warmer. Gunsight Wash (near Why, AZ) in the winter--usually with a couple of weeks at OPCNM every year or so. Last year a couple of weeks in Quartzsite. I have also been to Pacheco Peak and Gilbert Ray and other places.

AZ has been my favorite state to RV around in, regardless if boondocked or in an RV camp like this one. Most of my RV trips are in AZ.

So where are you headed in AZ?

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
We are coming into Quartzsite first and making decisions from there. I am not mounting them at this time. I only have 100Ah at this time and will probably make it 200 soon. I have 2 3000W inverters going with me but that is up in the air. They are not installed. Other then that standard RV stuff. I did install a cheap DC/DC device already. In case I go much bigger if this experiment is favorable. Would love info on places to go like you have. Its a big retirement adventure, what could possibly go wrong?

I intentionally over paneled.
 
I just watched this latest BattleBorn video. I would not be surprised if BattleBorn soon files for bankruptcy. The evidence is pretty damning and posted about extensively on RV media sites.
Didn't Battleborn used to have a very good reputation? Or were people sucked in because they cost more?

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
We are coming into Quartzsite first and making decisions from there. I am not mounting them at this time. I only have 100Ah at this time and will probably make it 200 soon. I have 2 3000W inverters going with me but that is up in the air. They are not installed. Other then that standard RV stuff. I did install a cheap DC/DC device already. In case I go much bigger if this experiment is favorable. Would love info on places to go like you have. Its a big retirement adventure, what could possibly go wrong?

I intentionally over paneled.
I only have a 100 watts of solar on this roof of this small 2022 Class A, but I have cut into the controller wires with a jumper where I can add solar on the ground in series up to the 100 VDC my controller can handle. I do more boondocking in my older Y2K RV with all solar panels on the ground. Around 600 watts worth total in either of my motorhomes.

One of my favorite places in the Sonoran Desert is Organ Pipe Cactus Nat'l Monument, at the Twin Peaks Camp--about five miles north of Lukeville, AZ on the Mexico border. Boondocking, but with everything you need at a central location. Propane in Why or in Ajo, a few miles north. Get a good supply of food in Ajo on the way down, as there is not much in Lukeville or Why.

You can book a site online when you get there. That has always worked for me. I pick a spot and then make sure it is available for my length of stay and book it right there. Ten bucks per night if you have the senor pass. $20.00 per night if not.

If you're into hiking, a one mile hike, the Desert View Hike, is a very nice easy one you can walk to from your RV. Very scenic hike. It is a loop. I was doing that one almost every day.

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
Didn't Battleborn used to have a very good reputation? Or were people sucked in because they cost more?

-Don- Douglas, AZ
BattleBorn was the first brand to actively market drop-in LiFeP04 batteries to the RV and recreational markets. They launched with a big publicity push to media and gave social influencers free batteries in return for a review. Their parent company is Dragonfly Energy which started by selling batteries to the military.

Since then IMO, BattleBorn's complicated and costly design using 80 cylindrical cells for a 12 volt, 100 a/h battery has been eclipsed by lower cost batteries using only 4 rectangular prismatic cells to get the same capacity. This reduces the complexity and cost to where prismatic batteries are now commodity items worldwide.
 
Not meaning to jump on, but here's another look at some Battleborn construction issues. Part 1 of this review shows this was an abandoned battery rescued from a landfill so the damage is likely exaggerated from what you'd find in normal use. But I think it's interesting nonetheless.

 
BattleBorn was the first brand to actively market drop-in LiFeP04 batteries to the RV and recreational markets. They launched with a big publicity push to media and giving social influencers free batteries in return for a review. Their parent company is Dragonfly Energy which started selling batteries to the military.

Since then IMO, BattleBorn's complicated and costly design using 80 cylindrical cells for a 12 volt, 100 a/h battery has been eclipsed by lower cost batteries using only 4 rectangular prismatic cells to get the same capacity. This reduces the complexity and cost to where prismatic batteries are now commodity items worldwide.
OIC, so they were once were very extra good batteries--made for the military. So they got their great reputation from that and try to still run with it with their cheaply made batteries but still keep the higher price tags.

But now it is all being exposed.

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
I went to NRVTA where Big Beard Tod was. I have yet to see if his have any problems either. I got the same 100Ah battery for less then $200 3 years ago and the new model with the same company is $240. Thats a big difference. By that I mean compared to Battle Born
 
Didn't Battleborn used to have a very good reputation? Or were people sucked in because they cost more?

-Don- Douglas, AZ
Yes they did have a deserved good reputation and a high price. They are assembled in the United States. However, Battleborn now has a lot of competition with quality products at much lower prices. Sadly, Battleborn's newer batteries have a lot of real problems. And, they are not helping their reputation by denying those problems and not offering solutions.
 
Battleborn now has a lot of competition
Unfortunately, as the Chinese stuff becomes better & cheaper, the stuff made in the USA will go downhill by trying to compete.

All the USA stuff could soon become the old "made in Japan" quality but with a higher price tag, as with Battleborn.

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
I have a 300AH Ampertime in each of my RVs. I wonder how they would test, but since they work fine for me, I figure what I do not know will not hurt me.

Besides, I am never using them anything near their full capacity of 200 amps. Even at 12V (never that low in reality) 12 times 200 amps=2,400 watts. My MW oven/ hair driers, etc are around half of that. Of course there is some loss in the inverter, but not enough for me to be concerned with. Typical is 90% still leaving me more than enough for my needs.

They changed their name to Li-Time. Mine say Ampertime, but I think only the label is different.

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-Don- Douglas, AZ
The set-up in my coach has eight 12 volt 300ah Li-Time batteries in parallel. They feed two 4,000 watt inverters. Even running at full inverter capacities, the max being drawn from the battery bank is 660 amps, or an average of 82.5 amps per battery, nowhere near the 200 amp maximum. Of course all that amperage is flowing through one battery post on the last battery in the bank, on the way to the inverters. I've used a non-contact thermometer (laser gun type) to monitor the post temperature at that discharge rate, and it has never gone above 150 degrees.
(The link saves you 8%.)

Footnote: I can't imagine a scenario where the full capacity of both inverters would ever be used simultaneously. So the amperage being drawn through that last terminal is never really anywhere near that high. It was done a few times for testing purposes only.
 
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The set-up in my coach has eight 12 volt 300ah Li-Time batteries in parallel. They feed two 4,000 watt inverters. Even running at full inverter capacities, the max being drawn from the battery bank is 660 amps, or an average of 82.5 amps per battery, nowhere near the 200 amp maximum. Of course all that amperage is flowing through one battery post on the last battery in the bank, on the way to the inverters. I've used a non-contact thermometer (laser gun type) to monitor the post temperature at that discharge rate, and it has never gone above 150 degrees.
(The link saves you 8%.)
What do you use all that battery power to run, a bunch of A/C units or what?

-Don- Av 6 348, INFONAVIT 1, 84200 Agua Prieta, Son., Mexico (having my lunch)
 
What do you use all that battery power to run, a bunch of A/C units or what?

-Don- Av 6 348, INFONAVIT 1, 84200 Agua Prieta, Son., Mexico (having my lunch)
We like to boondock, and still live like we're hooked up. So when the coach was refurbished, the batteries, inverters and 4,000 watts of solar cells were needed to achieve that goal.
 
We built a system like that in the solar class at school. It is what made me decide to not pursue high end solar. At my age the ROI is not acceptable. I don't have that much money in my Jeep and Class C.
 
We like to boondock, and still live like we're hooked up.
Does your rig have a washer and dryer? I kinda assume so.

But how do you dump your tanks, get rid of your garbage and other issues that usually cannot be solved boondocked for long periods?

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
At my age the ROI is not acceptable. I don't have that much money in my Jeep and Class C.
Just buy everything on very long term credit. That way you get everything at a smaller percentage of its total price the faster you kick the bucket!:D

-Don- Douglas, AZ
 
Just buy everything on very long term credit. That way you get everything at a smaller percentage of its total price the faster you kick the bucket!:D

-Don- Douglas, AZ
Yeah, that has become the American way. But I am rural Maine old world conservative. Don't borrow any more then you have to and save for things.
 
Does your rig have a washer and dryer? I kinda assume so.

But how do you dump your tanks, get rid of your garbage and other issues that usually cannot be solved boondocked for long periods?

-Don- Douglas, AZ

Hello Don,

Towering above all other items, water is the one that is most limiting (in our experience). The freshwater tank is 100 gallons, and we carry an extra 75 gallons in the trailer. With 175 gallons, at an average usage of 8 gallons a day, we can comfortably go for about 22 days before needing to find an outside source. If a location with a water faucet can't be located, or is too far away, we carry a water filtration system capable of producing about 15 gallons a day of drinkable water from just about any source (stream, drainage ditch, pond, etc...).

Yes, the coach had a washer and a dryer. The dryer was removed to produce more storage. We found things dry quickly the old fashion way, on a clothes line. The washing machine is used very infrequently, mainly because it is relatively small, and uses a lot of water. Underwear being the limiting article of clothing, we have enough to last 3 weeks. By the time 3 weeks passes, we usually have a large amount of laundry. Our usual routine is to use a laundromat with those nice large machines, and we're not using our precious water. If there's no laundromat available, then we will use the onboard washing machine to do one load, usually consisting mostly of underwear.

The tanks really aren't much of an issue. The coach has a bath and a half. The wife uses the half bath with the standard flushing toilet, emptying into the blackwater holding tank. So it only needs to be emptied about once every 3 weeks. Sometimes 4 weeks. When it's time to empty, we try to locate a standard dumping station. An alternative is dairy farms. We found that if asked nicely, most dairy farmers don't care of we dump 45 gallons of blackwater into their manure pond, which already contains 2 or 3 hundred thousand gallons of cow manure. The farmers are usually quite curious about the coach. Sometimes we are invited for lunch. As a last resort, most people living in rural areas are on a septic system, accessible outside. Again, asked politely and in a friendly manner, most will let us dump the blackwater directly into the septic tank. It's amazing how agreeable people are if approached respectfully, and in a friendly positive manner. (And they're really curious about the coach....)

I use the full bathroom, which has an AirHead composting toilet. Been using it every day for years. Can't say enough positive things about it. The urine container is emptied about every 4 days, into a portable 36 gallon Rhino blackwater container. (I empty the portable container when the onboard blackwater tank is emptied. Sometimes, if the coach can't be maneuvered close enough to the dump location, the portable container is used to empty the onboard tank. It may take two trips.) The solids container of the AirHead only needs to be emptied about once every 6 weeks. Very convenient. Its contents (securely enclosed in a double layer of Hefty trash bags) may be deposited in any dumpster at a fuel stop.

I hope that answers your questions.
 
Just buy everything on very long term credit. That way you get everything at a smaller percentage of its total price the faster you kick the bucket!:D

-Don- Douglas, AZ
I tend to agree with Don here, particularly if you are not concerned with leaving any inheritance to kids when you die. The current system makes it illegal (age discrimination) to consider a persons age when they apply for a long term loan, therefore as long as they have good credit and an income that can service the debt payments a 95 year old can take out a 30 year loan.
 

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