Bernie With all do respect Sometimes a unit comes out for the better, but what I was referring to was the mass in general, the prognosis isn't that great on the units I mentioned. Glad you got a good one. Heck there are problems with any line of RV just more so on entry levels in general. After all they are the lesser expensive for a reason. Wheather it be the training line for new employees or experiment, or lesser grade of materials. There is a reason some way or another, cause they all have the same basic equipment. So figure it out, the cuts have to come somewhere. Each grade up you go the quality it normally better. Same as Chevy to Buick or Ford to Mercury. More insulation, better fabric and etc. It's same difference when I by an auto, Have been a sales mgr in both auto and RV sales, I'd rather by a 2 yr old Lincoln than a new Ford. better quality throughout and much more comfortable. But everyone has to make up his or her own mind as to what they like and dislike and can afford. I was mirely giving my opinion, and a view that is based on a sales point of view. Should yours differ I can respect that too, just because we differ doesn't stop us from voiceing our opinions.