Boat is a hole in the water?

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Carl Lundquist said:
Just ask Tom, he has one listed in Jane's.

You got me Carl, I have no idea who or what "Jane's" is  ???
 

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I doubt that Tom's boat would be listed in Jane's Fighting Ships and certainly not in Jane's All the World's Aircraft.  However, he might make Jane's All the World's Holes in the Water if they published one :)
 

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Ned said:
I doubt that Tom's boat would be listed in Jane's Fighting Ships and certainly not in Jane's All the World's Aircraft. However, he might make Jane's All the World's Holes in the Water if they published one :)

Jeez, I thought I saw it there.? ?Just after light cruisers.? Oh well. :-\

Did I mention the boat I saw floating around in Puget Sound.? ?Had a float plane for a dingy.? Now that is a real hole in the water.


Regards,

Carl L/LA, former owner of a 20' Skipjack which probably wasn't in Fighting Ships either, more like Obstreperous Dingies.
 

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It's not listed in Power & Motoryacht's annual list of the world's 100 largest yachts either  :(
 

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You got me Carl, I have no idea who or what "Jane's" is 

Brit publication.  Started out as an inventory of the world's warships.  Compiled I guess to inform the Royal Navy of whom they might have to sink next.  Now it is Janes Information Group.  They list everything in the boomboom business.  See them HERE.

Did I ever tell you about the time I let a sea scout advisor con my 20 foot from Catalina to MRD.  He tried to to race a USN frigate coming around White's Point to the crossing point.    I glanced over at the frigate and realized the angle on the bow was not opening or closing.  I grabbed the throttle and dropped the speed down to 0.  The frigate went whipping by at 30 odd knots about 300 yards off standing on.  I explained to the kid that 20 footers did not play chickie run with warships.
 

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Carl Lundquist said:
I explained to the kid that 20 footers did not play chickie run with warships.

Nowadays it can also get you in another kind of trouble. I recently picked up a copy of the latest security zones advisory in anticipation of our upcoming trip. Here's an extract:

"A security zone is in place around all U.S. Naval vessels greater than 100 feet in length. This permanent protection zone extends 500 yards around all Naval vessels and any vessels under contract with the navy. All mariners must operate at minimum speed necessary and must stay out of the way. Military action will be taken if any mariner gets within 100 yards of any naval vessel."

When we traverse Suisun Bay past the Concord Naval Weapons base, if there's a ship being loaded, they station a USCG cutter and a couple of highly manouverable gun boats there and impose a separate secuirty zone. Since this would take us outside safe navigable waters, I usually ask for and get an armed escort past the ship. I have two hands on the wheel, steer a straight course, and don't exceed 5 mph.
 

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Since you are an old blue water type, here is a question that I used to pose to USPS Seamanship classes:

You are in a 32' power boat cruising just south of the entrance to San Diego Harbor about two miles out from shore.  It is 2200, the sky is clear, the moon is dark.  you are doing about 10 knots. 

Suddenly a flashing yellow light appears hard on the bow seemingly about 200 yard off.

What is it is and what action should you take?  (5 pts) 

;D

 

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Carl,

I'm not a bluewater guy, so I assume you were addressing Ned  ???

If it were me, I'd steer away from that submarine that just surfaced, but I suspect this is a trick question  ::)
 

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If it were me, I'd steer away from that submarine that just surfaced, but I suspect this is a trick question 

Not all, you were right.  San Diego has a submarine surfacing area just south of the harbor entrance.  Nowadays those rascals are big.

 

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Whopee! I made 5 points. Not bad for a fresh water guy eh? What do I need to do to get the remaining 95 points?

I knew there were subs in the area and had to recall what the flashing yellow light meant before I put the two together. My electronic nautical chart also shows a restricted area extending out approx 2.6 nm west and approx 5.4 nm south from the center of the SD entrance channel, but it wasn't obvious what the restriction is; I need to go check the paper chart.

BTW California DBW has a home-study boating course with a test that can be mailed in for a certificate. Rumor has it that, before too long, they plan to make the test a prerequisite to being allowed to take the helm. Warning - some of the questions are like some of those academically demanding CA DMV test questions - "Is a car an automobile or does it have wheels? Only one correct answer."

But, I'm for anything that makes boaters more informed and hopefully safer on the water. Now if only they'd raise the minimum age to operate a PWC to 45 and require a minimum of 25 accident-free years driving on the highway before being allowed to operate one of these.
 

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OK, I dug out the paper version of nautical chart 18765_1 showing San Diego and approaches. The restricted area references Note A which in turn refers the reader to chapter 2 of U.S. Coast Pilot 7 (my 35th edition has 710 pages). Bottom line, it's a restricted/no-go area.
 

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Whopee! I made 5 points. Not bad for a fresh water guy eh? What do I need to do to get the remaining 95 points?

Con your freshwater boat to Los Angeles' Marina Del Rey from SF.? ?How did you get to MRD -- down the California Water Project?

BTW California DBW has a home-study boating course with a test that can be mailed in for a certificate. Rumor has it that, before too long, they plan to make the test a prerequisite to being allowed to take the helm. Warning - some of the questions are like some of those academically demanding CA DMV test questions - "Is a car an automobile or does it have wheels? Only one correct answer."

Well hopefully, the State will allow completion of either a US Power Squadrons or a US Coast Guard Auxiliary boating course.? Other states have done so.? Either course is excellent -- and cheap.

 

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A friend of mine had a question on his license exam that asked what the light pattern was for a submarine under tow at night.  And this was on Lake Michigan.  Not too many subs there, under tow or not :)
 

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Carl Lundquist said:
How did you get to MRD, down the California Water Project?

LOL we wouldn't make it through the filters. That trip, we headed out the Golden Gate and turned south. Here's an abbreviated log of the trip with some photos.

..hopefully, the State will allow completion of either a US Power Squadrons or a US Coast Guard Auxiliary boating course.  ... Either course is excellent and cheap.

Agreed Carl. Chris and I took the CG auxiliary class and Chris took the PS Skipper Saver class, both excellent classes. I've rarely had to take the helm since the PS class.
 

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LOL we wouldn't make it through the filters. That trip, we headed out the Golden Gate and turned south. Here's an abbreviated log of that trip with some photos.

Oh the filters would be easy.  However, those siphons over the Tehachipis would be a bear.
 

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LOL Carl, I didn't think about the Tehachapis. I gotta look at a map. I recall going over Tehachapi Pass en route to Edwards AFB, but I can get to MDR without going that route.
 

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If you ever have occasion to do I-5 over the Grapevine, look to the right when you get to the town of Grapevine at the base.  Those 6 huge pipes going up over the hill are the siphon.  They dump into Pyramid Lake on the top.
 

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Carl Lundquist said:
Not all, you were right.? ?San Diego has a submarine surfacing area just south of the harbor entrance.? Nowadays those rascals are big.

Hah!  I had that happen to me when Tom and I and a few other folks were down that way.  We were making a very early start Northward after getting some repairs done and left the Bay about 5 am. 

The only problem we had was that the sub had no lights showing at all!  It must've taken me an hour before I was comfortable going faster than 8 knots.
 

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Thanks Carl. I'd forgotten I'd seen those pipes. That would be one heck of a ride.
 

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