Charge at ~50 miles per minute

[RV Driver]

So we’re going to put a megawatt of power in the hands of consumers? Surely nothing bad could possibly happen there. Right.

What a crock.

 

[DonTom]

So we’re going to put a megawatt of power in the hands of consumers? Surely nothing bad could possibly happen there. Right.

What would you expect could happen? And million-watt chargers already are being used by many. They have been in existence for around a year. Has anything happened yet?

-Don- New Castle, CA

 

[DonTom]

At $4 a gallon, $27 will add 240 miles of range to my Mitsubishi Mirage.
With an average of 40 MPG it will take about 200,000 miles before the fuel cost equals the difference in price between it and an electric car. Longer if you have to pay anything to charge an electric car.

I don't know why i compared A DCFC in Pahrump to John's AC charge. The AC charge usually costs less.

I see an AC J-1772 AC charge station in Pahrump at:

Best Western Pahrump Oasis
1101 NV-160,
Pahrump, NV 89048, USA

There it is 25 cents per KWH. That is about right for a L2 road charge since your home price is 17 cents per KWH.

IOW, John's 60 KWH AC charge (~210 miles for $27.00) would cost $15.00 in Pahrump at a similar AC charge for the same 210 miles of added range.

But only $10.20 if a home charge for the same added 210 miles of range added.

Can you still beat that with your Mitsubishi Mirage with gasoline in Pahrump?

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Lou Schneider]

Can you still beat that with your Mitsubishi Mirage with gasoline in Pahrump?

-Don- Auburn, CA

No, but it's irrelevant.

The point is the $17k I paid for my new Mirage is at least $20k less than any electric vehicle with similar range (320 miles between refills/recharges). $20k buys 5000 gallons of gas at $4 a gallon. At 40 MPG this translates into 200,000 miles of free driving. If gas goes to $8 a gallon it will buy 2500 gallons for 100,000 miles of free driving.

This assumes you can recharge an electric vehicle for free. If you're paying to charge an electric car the break-even point is pushed even further out.

 

[DonTom]

No, but paying anything to charge an electric car just adds to the argument for the Mirage.

The point is the Mirage costs at least $20k less than any electric vehicle with similar range (320 miles between refills/recharges). Put that $20k into a savings account and it will buy 5000 gallons of gas at $4 a gallon. This translates into 200,000 miles at 40 MPG.

If you're paying to charge an electric car this pushes the break-even point even further out.

Yes, all true, but I am not sure how we can compare cars that are so different, such as the torque of the EVs that no ICE cars in the same price range can even come close to matching.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

Was this where you charged up at?

Yes it was.

I do not know the going rate for KWH there but if I'd had to refill with Gallons.. I'd have spent more. Lots more.

 

[DonTom]

Yes it was.

I do not know the going rate for KWH there but if I'd had to refill with Gallons.. I'd have spent more. Lots more.

Plugshare says it costs 45 cents per KWH there which is very expensive for an AC charge, but it is still cheaper than my home rate here in Auburn where a KWH is ridiculously expensive. They had six rate increases here in the last one year! My solar went in just in time!

Since you used 60 KWH @ 45 cents, you should have been charged 27 bucks for that charge. Just a few pennies less, because you were a few watts under the 60KW.

In most places in Nevada as well as a several places here in CA, that same charge will cost nothing at all. I am not sure why but the free to use Level Two AC charging is much more common out here in the west. In some nice areas too, such as at the Truckee/Tahoe Airport here in CA.

Most of these are at around 7KW, but some are as high as 70-amp @240 VAC (16,800 watts) such as here and free to use. But most EV cars cannot do anything near the 16,800 watts, but you will get your full 12KW in most EV cars.

If you click on the photo, you will see one of my motorcycles charging there at 8KW with two external chargers.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

I'd be happy when Ford comes out for the fix for my PHEV that is under recall with instructions not to charge.

What is that all about?

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

Since you used 60 KWH @ 45 cents, you should have been charged 27 bucks for that charge. Just a few pennies less, because you were a few watts under the 60KW.

And $27 was in fact the charge.. I may have mistyped the first time .. I dang near melted the credit card that trip (Many charges) However.. It did survive. And I paid it (Current credit card balance as of a few minutes ago $0.00)

 

[RRR]

What is that all about?

-Don- Auburn, CA

A defect in the high-voltage battery that may cause a short during charging and the concern is causing a fire. Not something I'm willing to risk in my garage.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RIONL-24V954-2080.pdf

 

[DonTom]

A defect in the high-voltage battery that may cause a short during charging and the concern is causing a fire. Not something I'm willing to risk in my garage.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RIONL-24V954-2080.pdf

Sound much like my Chevy Bolt. But mine has the SW fix. But I cannot charge it to 100% for a few thousand miles when the FW will automatically let me start charging to 100%. This is a non-issue to me as I still will only charge it to 80%, it's all I ever need and then some as it is.

I assume you know that Hybrids are even worse than pure ICE cars for fires:

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

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-Don- Auburn, CA

That is good. but partial, info. The problem with EV's is the fire is very nasty and hard to put out.

But the evidence is clear.. LOT less likely to Flame on In fact only about 3/4 of one Percent as likely to catch fire.> WOW

 

[Lou Schneider]

That is good. but partial, info. The problem with EV's is the fire is very nasty and hard to put out.

But the evidence is clear.. LOT less likely to Flame on In fact only about 3/4 of one Percent as likely to catch fire.> WOW

The problem is hybrid vehicles which carry both kinds of fuel and this is reflected in the "Fires per 100,000 vehicles" statistic in DonTom's graph. Gasoline that catches fire easily and a lithium battery that makes it harder to fight the fire.

 

[DonTom]

The problem is hybrid vehicles which carry both kinds of fuel and this is reflected in the "Fires per 100,000 vehicles" statistic in DonTom's graph. Gasoline that catches fire easily and a lithium battery that makes it harder to fight the fire.

But OTOH, the lith battery in a hybrid is much smaller than in a BEV (Battery <only> EV). Therefore, it burns itself out faster than in a BEV.

-Don- Auburn, CA