E450 Funmover Tire Failures: Overload or Wrong Tire Spec?

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Members largely agree this is more likely a load-capacity or loading problem than a simple brand problem. The original poster described repeated rear dual failures including belt separation, tread crowning, a sidewall blowout, and follow-on failure after one dual carried the load alone. Several experienced members pointed to overloading, under-capacity tires, or inflation not matched to real axle loads, especially with two full-size motorcycles and gear in the rear of a 2001 Four Winds...
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Natetheskate1

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I have a 2001 Four Winds Funmover on a Ford E450 chassis that goes through tires like popcorn. I just changed three tires yesterday that had only 2 1/2 years and about 5,000 miles on them. I was running Goodyear Wrangler truck tires, which did OK for awhile, but they were starting to go. Is there a tire out there that can last? Although I very much appreciate the insights and advice that those out there can give, is there a Tire Guy out there who has real expertise on this matter?
 
I do not have a lot of experience with the commercial stuff and mostly deal with passenger and light truck. The application guides I use only go to the 1-ton trucks but I am guessing they have 2257019.5 on it. I know that Michelin makes some very good commercial tires and so does Continental. It does sound to me like it might be something mechanical in the vehicle that are causing tires to wear out that fast.
 
which did OK for awhile, but they were starting to go.
Define "starting to go," please. Is that from tread wear (tread depth), from uneven wear, from overall condition (cracks, etc.) getting bad, or.....????

But if tread wear is the problem then there's something wrong with your vehicle to do that in 5,000 miles.

Do note that many of us have had good luck with Hankook, Sumitomo and a number of other brands, most of which escape me at the moment.
 
Does it look like they are wearing evenly across the width of the tire?
 
I have a 2001 Four Winds Funmover on a Ford E450 chassis that goes through tires like popcorn. I just changed three tires yesterday that had only 2 1/2 years and about 5,000 miles on them. I was running Goodyear Wrangler truck tires, which did OK for awhile, but they were starting to go. Is there a tire out there that can last? Although I very much appreciate the insights and advice that those out there can give, is there a Tire Guy out there who has real expertise on this matter?
Need a tad more information, the term, Going through tires is kind of open, side wall failures? Blow outs, loosing the tread? wearing the treads off and going bald? What exactly are you having fail, then we all can help direct you.
 
What is typical is that the belts separate. Then the tire gets slightly larger in diameter, and has a crown across the tread instead of being flat. This creates a bumpy ride, and that's how I know the tire is about to throw a tread. Although, on this last trip, one of the inner tires blew out through the sidewall, this left the outer bearing the load. This caused that tire to fail (after changing the inner) about 100 miles later. 180 miles after that, the inner on the other side had its belts separate. I changed that tire at a rest stop in Georgia. One of the factors is that this is a Fun mover (i.e., a Toy Hauler), and I usually have this problems carrying a couple of full size motorcycles in the back, along with all the other gear I normally have. So, I suspect that the rig is somewhat overloaded. The RV handles this load fine, but the tires don't.
 
I'm wondering about tire pressure. With a maximum load, you'd need to put in more pressure to accommodate the weight. Maybe move up to a tire that can take higher weights.

I had tire ware and had them perform a rear and front end alignment that eliminated the ware that I was getting.
 
Here are the Toyo tire inflation tables. They are essentially the same as most other brands. And also here is a tire care guide from Goodyear that includes methods of caring for tires and more information, including their tire inflation tables.
 

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The pressure table I have is for 80 psi in the rear wheels, so that's what I run. And I'm pretty good about keeping those up. To run higher pressures, you would need to have load range F, but I'm understanding that requires a different wheel, tire, etc.
 
The symptoms you describe all point to overloading, either beyond the tire's max capacity or insufficient inflation for the actual load. And all were on the rear dual axle, where the load is greatest. So the very first step is to get actual scaled axle & wheel weights with those heavy bikes on board. You can't know the necessary tire pressures without real weights.

Those 225/75R16E tires can handle a max of 2470 each (dual) so roughly 10,000 lbs on the rear axle. A couple big bikes, especially with the weight not evenly distributed, could push you over that. An E450 with a motorhome body is typically already near the GVWR, even before adding cargo.
 
Well, I did some research (which I should have been doing before) and the Load Index of the tires I have been using was only 115, and it turns out that there are some light truck tires that have higher numbers, including the Goodyear Wrangler series which is what I was using. So unless someone has a better suggestion, I'll be looking for tires with a load index of at least 121.
 
Do NOT buy the LT225/75R16 tire. Instead buy a 225/75R16C.

The C is NOT the load range, but rather it designates that its a Cargo/Commercial tire. Frequently referred to as a Euro C tire. Its mandatory on the Ram Promaster, Sprinter, Transit. It has a higher load rating than the LT version.

LT version is 2680 single, 2470 dual (80 psi max)

C version is 3195 single, 2680 dual (83 psi max)
 
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Do NOT buy the LT225/75R16 tire. Instead buy a 225/75R16C.

The C is NOT the load range, but rather it designates that its a Cargo/Commercial tire. Frequently referred to as a Euro C tire. Its mandatory on the Ram Promaster, Sprinter, Transit. It has a higher load rating than the LT version.

LT version is 2680 single, 2470 dual (80 psi max)

C version is 3195 single, 2680 dual (83 psi max)
This is actually what I was going to recommend as well.
 
I would recommend either the Firestone Transforce CV2 or the General Grabber HD. They are both available in the Cargo version that has the 125-load range.
 
The key is to learn the actual tire loading by getting scaled weights and then to buy the size & type of tire that provides the necessary load capacity. The max load rating is part of the tire spec and is stamped right on the sidewall too (USDOT requirement). There are typically multiple ways to get a higher load rating if needed. However, it may be necessary to change the wheel as well as the tire in some circumstances.
 

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