EV-Phobia is getting worse!

[DonTom]

there are about 8 charging stations within a 10 mile radius of our current home.

That means they are 99.99% useless to anybody who can charge at home, which is around 90% of EV owners. That is unless they are getting a free charge from work or something like that.

The other 0.01% are usually just checking something, like I did when I replaced my Tesla charging module for CCS compatibility. Not sure why I did that, because that was years ago and I have not charged my Tesla on the road since many years before that. I just figure it's better to have it than to need it compared to vice versa.

Look for the chargers at least 150 miles from home. Those are the only ones you're likely to use.

Okay, you may need it because of moving or whatever. Have you checked Plugshare in case you need level 3 charging?

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Lou Schneider]

You can bet your expensive problems will not be powertrain related! Sometimes just replacing a headlight will cost between $2,000 & $3,000.00 bucks these days.

Maybe on your Tesla. The Mirage uses standard $10 Halogen bulbs, snap in from the rear of the housing. If the housing/lens needs replacing its < $120 on Amazon.

If the problem isn't powertrain related it's covered by the 5 year/60k mile bumper to bumper warranty. It does have some exclusions such as normal wear items including light bulbs.

But I would like to see all the fine print on that Mitsubishi warranty, including on EVs:

Knock yourself out. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for links to the full text for each model.

10 Years/ 100,000 Mile Mitsubishi Warranty | Mitsubishi Motors

 

[DonTom]

Here is something I always knew, and why I am here with my tiring EV stuff (but I see many are still reading it!),


"Most people believe misinformation about electric vehicles, international survey finds"

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

The Mirage uses standard $10 Halogen bulbs, snap in from the rear of the housing.

Yep, I agree there is a lot to be said for cheaper cars. Usually cheaper to maintain, cheaper & easier to fix than more expensive cars that do the same job.

OTOH, there is not much to maintain in an EV. No plugs, wires, oil filters, air filters, alternator, O2 sensors, C. converter, etc. etc.

And no smog tests required in areas such as both of my home locations.

But I know you don't have that issue there.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Isaac-1]

For me one of the big reasons for not buying Tesla, or most other EV's is lack of local servicing options, in the case of Tesla the nearest service center is over 160 miles away, in case others few if any local dealers have service personnel trained to work on them.

 

[DonTom]

For me one of the big reasons for not buying Tesla, or most other EV's is lack of local servicing options, in the case of Tesla the nearest service center is over 160 miles away, in case others few if any local dealers have service personnel trained to work on them.

Since 2018, my Tesla has been in a shop exactly zero times. I assume anything that breaks in a Tesla you will be able to repair yourself, just as I have.

So far, I have replaced a window switch, added some battery coolant, added a few psi of air in the tires, replaced the 12-volt battery and changed the cabin air filter.

All of this only one time, even including adding air to the tires. It has NEVER been in ANY shop of any type since new.

The only real repair was replacing the window switch that broke. The plastic part broke, not the electrical part of the switch. That made it very difficult to use.

Parts like the window switch and EV 12-volt battery can be purchased on the web. No need for a dealer. Find a YouTube for the instructions on the best ways to get the job done.

If you cannot find what you need, ask in the Tesla Forum.

I don't know why we cannot buy an EV 12-volt battery in a battery store or even in a normal car parts store, that seems ridiculous for these days, especially for here in CA. But they can easily be mail ordered. I have never purchased anything from a Tesla Shop other than the car itself, where the shop in Rocklin, CA ordered it for me in year 2018. But that can be done online too.

I won't count the one modification I made for CCS charging, because all the new Teslas now have that. IOW, charge it with anything you can find anywhere, no mods needed for CCS adapter support. Still need the adapter, if wanting to charge from non-Tesla chargers. Probably very rarely needed, however, Carson City has plenty of CCS chargers but nothing for Tesla. But there are Tesla chargers before as well as after CC and getting between them won't even ever be needed. Just take your pick of one or the other, depending on the SOC% if a charge is needed in that area.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

USDOE charging station locator map (Linked below),

I was just checking that out. It is the worse EV Charge Map I have ever seen. Doesn't show the chargers in Silver Springs, NV as well as in Fallon, NV and countless other places that have them, including DCFC (such as the one in Silver Springs).

Use Plugshare.com and check for your area again.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[woof-n]

See here.

"Only 16% of Americans Would Buy an EV, a Study Finds. Here’s Why:"

• Respondents cited high battery repair costs and high purchase prices as some of the reasons, in addition to perceived unsuitability for long-distance driving.

Only 16% will consider buying an EV as their next car. All for nonsense reasons, IMAO. Especially worrying about the battery, but not tranies, ICE engines, and etc which fail every day somewhere. Few trannies and engines have an 8-year warranty. But my 2018 Tesla Model 3 battery, has such, which still has not yet expired. And I cannot tell any difference in range since the day it was new.

Both main reasons are nonsense, IMAO. I would use my Tesla for a trip across the country before considering any ICE car, but of course, I would take my ICE Class A for that anyway, as I already have.

-Don- Auburn, CA

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I don't think it can entirely be stated as "just nonsense". Some of that is trust. All purchases come with the Promised, Implied, and Delivered. All three can be the same or very different. Legal documents written by the seller are there to protect the seller. Sharp high-priced attorneys for the seller can read anything into a contract. Many individuals have come out on the short end of the Promised, Implied and Delivered in warranties. Most people were not born cynical, but life experiences have made them that way. If time proves the EVs really go the distance, that will go a long way in earning peoples trust. It is unfortunate we live in a world where honesty/integrity is discretionary and optional. We all select own tolerance for risk and reward.

Keep the faith, evolution is a slow process. People who sold horses were the last group of people to buy a car. LOL

 

[John From Detroit]

Here is something I always knew, and why I am here with my tiring EV stuff (but I see many are still reading it!),


"Most people believe misinformation about electric vehicles, international survey finds"

-Don- Auburn, CA

Liars lie and sadly the Oil industry employs a lot of liars do do precisely that. (Misinformation = LIes)

I have driven an EV. only problem I had was finding a "Gas station" (Charging station) Turns out the hotel I was at.. Had two of 'em.

 

[NY_Dutch]

That means they are 99.99% useless to anybody who can charge at home, which is around 90% of EV owners. That is unless they are getting a free charge from work or something like that.

The other 0.01% are usually just checking something, like I did when I replaced my Tesla charging module for CCS compatibility. Not sure why I did that, because that was years ago and I have not charged my Tesla on the road since many years before that. I just figure it's better to have it than to need it compared to vice versa.

Look for the chargers at least 150 miles from home. Those are the only ones you're likely to use.

Okay, you may need it because of moving or whatever. Have you checked Plugshare in case you need level 3 charging?

-Don- Auburn, CA

Due to our health issues, our travel is primarily just local trips to doctors, stores, etc. The only longer travel we typically make is with our motorhome, although that will be going up for sale this fall or next spring. Even our motorhome travel is limited by family and our doctors to no more than two hours from home. With our limited travel, the savings over ICE fuel become insignificant.

 

[Babe2201]

You thinking something is nonsensical does not make it so.

 

[DonTom]

I have driven an EV. only problem I had was finding a "Gas station" (Charging station) Turns out the hotel I was at.. Had two of 'em.

Many EVs, such as all Teslas, find them for you. You can use voice, press the button (the mic) on the right side of the steering wheel and say, "Navigate to "Supercharger" or "take me to charge station". It's not picky about how you say it, you can ever request which type of charge station.

Or have all of them all show at once on the screen for the location you're in. Or all chargers in route, etc, etc.

Perhaps most EVs have this, not just Tesla.

And in addition, Plugshare (which I use for my electric motorcycles) will show which motels have charge stations. And if they are open to all or only their guests. Same with many RV parks, some will let non-guests use a 14-50R for a small fee.

Some motels keep their charge stations open to all and are free to use, even for non-guests. How this is done varies greatly.

Here I am getting a free charge in Portola, CA at the Chalet View Lodge parking lot on Hwy 70 in CA:

A worker came by, who saw me outside and explained even though I am not a guest there, I may still use their lobby area, restrooms, etc. while I am waiting for my bike to charge.

A very EV friendly place. Usually means the owner is into EVs and is trying to help out other EVers in the area. Places that have more charge stations than their guests use, of course. And free wireless web inside to use, as that area has no cell coverage.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

Here it says "gas cars are disappearing".

"EVs are growing faster,"

Perhaps there is a little less EV phobia these days.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[LarsMac]

If I was in the market for a new car, I would consider EVs, but at my age, a new car is hardly practical. I plan to keep the vehicles I have until they, or I wear our.

 

[Mark_K5LXP]

You can bet your expensive problems will not be powertrain related!

Right - so why would I pick a vehicle that will almost surely have expensive parts and service, vs taking my chances with ICE cars that have more readily available parts and service choices? If something on a Tesla poops out, you're not going to Auto Zone or the corner Firestone service shop. The range anxiety and charging perceptions can't be dismissed. An EV may meet 95% of people's range needs but an ICE meets 100%. Few people own cars long enough for failures or reliability to be a concern, so you're asking people to change their lifestyle to accommodate a vehicle. The benefits may not rise to overcoming resistance to change. Back to the premise I always state about any vehicle - what problem does it solve? I think for most an EV solves no problem, and might create some. They're a transportation solution, but not a universal one.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM

 

[TheBar]

Since 2018, my Tesla has been in a shop exactly zero times.

-Don- Auburn, CA

How many miles on your Tesla? You repeatedly say long trips in an EV are no concern at all, but where have you driven an EV besides the west coast area on major highways? To most of us you live in a perfect EV environment so your opinion is not taken seriously.

 

[DonTom]

How many miles on your Tesla? You repeatedly say long trips in an EV are no concern at all, but where have you driven an EV besides the west coast area on major highways? To most of us you live in a perfect EV environment so your opinion is not taken seriously.

Only 23,000 miles on my Tesla since year 2018.

While I do not do longer trips in my EVs, I do know several people who drive to the east coast in Teslas who wouldn't even consider using an ICE car for such a trip.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

what problem does it solve?

I recently posted a message to you listing ten of such.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Derby6]

Only 23,000 miles on my Tesla since year 2018.

-Don- Auburn, CA

So you put approx 3,000 miles a year on a car but can tout how great and reliable and long lasting it is.
I know I know all your miles are on EV motorcycles and your Bolt.

 

[DonTom]

So you put approx 3,000 miles a year on a car but can tout how great and reliable and long lasting it is.
I know I know all your miles are on EV motorcycles and your Bolt.

Nope, it has to do with others who have more than 200,000 miles on their Tesla, such as Eric who I purchased my Tesla with, in year 2018, who is now on his way back from PA. In his Tesla, of course. We both purchased our Teslas on the same day. He must have at least 230,000 miles on his by now.

I drive my Bolt perhaps even less than my Tesla.

I do ride motorcycles a lot, especially the electrics. I am now headed to Placerville, CA to meet a buddy for lunch. On my Energica Experia electric.

-Don- Auburn, CA