EV-Phobia is getting worse!

[Boat Bum]

Fold and chunky here as well. I used to bunch until I bought a house with septic.

 

[klook]

I just finished speaking with my sons BIL about his Tesla. He sold it. So I wanted to know why? Did he buy another? NO Did it break down? NO Was it awesome? MEH So why did he get rid of it and go back to a ICE?
It was a pain in the butt to charge. IT was at the end of its warranty for the battery. He never did any maintenance to the vehicle. It supposedly didnt need any. But this is the same guy that bought a new KIA and never changed the oil in it. And traded it in still running.
His apartment complex started charging him to fill it up. The state of Tenn put in a road tax to be instituted in 2026? And the pain of trying to find places to charge it. He said if he owned a home it would have been much better. But I pointed out he would have had to buy a charging unit and have it installed and then pay for electricity. He lives within the city limits of Chattanooga. Not like he is out on a farm somewhere. So he is in the 8%.

 

[Oldgator73]

We were informed upon our registration renewal for our Prius we will be charged an additional $60 per year.

 

[klook]

We were informed upon our registration renewal for our Prius we will be charged an additional $60 per year.

I believe he thought it was going to be $250+

 

[DonTom]

We're having issues in our RV co-op park with Tesla owners wanting to charge their cars from the park's electrical system.

Then perhaps the park should consider putting in a J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station, just as they did in Quincy, CA. It can be supported by those who use it, the park can set the rate per KWH:


My bike charging at Dame Shirley Park, Quincy, CA from a J-1772. Tesla will need a cheap adapter; it came with my Tesla when I purchased it in 2018.

-Don- now in Kingsburg, CA (RV trip-- again to AZ) BTW, two FREE to use 50KW DCFCs here at this rest stop.

 

[DonTom]

But I pointed out he would have had to buy a charging unit and have it installed and then pay for electricity.

Not exctly true. I charged my Tesla, for a few months at each of my houses by using a 240 VAC dryer outlet, at 7.2 KW using the Tesla cable that came with the car. Just need an adapter because the dryers are not 14-50R.

I later bought a couple of Tesla Wall Connectors and then charged at ~12 KW, which is only helpful if one charges during the day, as I often do. The 7KW will give a full charge overnight anyway--or very close to it.

But as I said before, without home charging, I too would stick with ICE.

But those with an old Tesla Model S often do not care. They get free Tesla Fast Charging for the life of the car. Even if purchased used from anybody anywhere. It stays with the car for life. No account needed or anything, just plug in at the closest Tesla Supercharger and wait a few minutes.

-Don- Kingsburg, CA

 

[bigbAZ]

Not exctly true. I charged my Tesla, for a few months at each of my houses by using a 240 VAC dryer outlet, at 7.2 KW using the Tesla cable that came with the car. Just need an adapter because the dryers are not 14-50R.



-Don- Kingsburg, CA

Did you really charge at the full 30 amps? I thought you were supposed to limit the charge to 80% of the circuit capacity?

 

[TheBar]

News flash! The climate control folks say the EV has been replaced by this new vehicle that needs no gasoline or electric charging. Never be stranded if you run out of gas or electric charge again. Just cranking the handle between the front wheels for 30 minutes will result in a 5 mile range. Physicians say the additional exercise will increase your life span by 30 minutes or longer. The ultimate in styling and the perfect car for any urban professional and those wanting to save the planet!

 

[DonTom]

Did you really charge at the full 30 amps? I thought you were supposed to limit the charge to 80% of the circuit capacity?

Perhaps 32 amps. IIRC, 7,680 watts would be the max on that cable. So I was charging at a few amps above, I think, but I really do not remember if I reduced the current at the Tesla or not. Perhaps I did. That was back in 2018.

All I know for sure is that it worked fine and it did not trip any breakers. And the house did not burn down! And I had a fully charged Tesla as needed.

-Don- Kingsburgh, CA

 

[Derby6]

Then perhaps the park should consider putting in a J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station, just as they did in Quincy, CA. It can be supported by those who use it, the park can set the rate per KWH:

Spend money in hopes folks come and I can recoup the co-op folks investment. No thank you. Not the business model.
It’s an RV park not a charging station.

 

[DonTom]

Spend money in hopes folks come and I can recoup the co-op folks investment. No thank you. Not the business model.
It’s an RV park not a charging station.

Yeah, I somehow missed that part where he was talking about the Co-Op in Pahrump.

But some KOAs have charge stations. I assume that can be worked out at a co-op, too.

I wonder how Chet used to charge up his Tesla. He lived at the Co-Op in Benson, AZ.

-Don-Kingsburg, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

Then perhaps the park should consider putting in a J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station, just as they did in Quincy, CA. It can be supported by those who use it, the park can set the rate per KWH:

Some states, responding to parks that made a serious profit reselling electricity to RVers. have passed laws that they can only charge what they pay for power .So if you pay say 12.5¢ per KWH (I know that is not the price) You can only charge 12.5¢ per KWH.

Some places you can still profit from re-selling power.

 

[Lou Schneider]

Spend money in hopes folks come and I can recoup the co-op folks investment. No thank you. Not the business model.
It’s an RV park not a charging station.

Or somehow limit the charging station to members only and tell them they have to park their car there and walk to their sites. Not very likely either. Our present electrical system meets RV park codes and has been sufficient for the demand to date. We're looking at $500k+ to increase the capacity of the system to accommodate a handful of EVs. Do we slap an assessment on existing and future EV owners to pay for it? No easy answers.

 

[klook]

Some states, responding to parks that made a serious profit reselling electricity to RVers. have passed laws that they can only charge what they pay for power .So if you pay say 12.5¢ per KWH (I know that is not the price) You can only charge 12.5¢ per KWH.

Some places you can still profit from re-selling power.

Then why put in the expense of installing all that crap if you can't make money?

 

[John From Detroit]

Then why put in the expense of installing all that crap if you can't make money?

What crap are you talking about. Power metered campsites>

Many EVs can "Slow charge" with a 15 amp at 120 volt charger if you plug in whenever you are "home" might work.

But ev "sites" might generate more custom (Business) I know if I ever again visit cape cod the fact the hotel has a statiun will count.

 

[klook]

Then perhaps the park should consider putting in a J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station

This crap. It has been my impression in reading since these free cars came out that they need lots of juice to charge efficiently. 15 amps is nothing.

 

[DonTom]

Some states, responding to parks that made a serious profit reselling electricity to RVers.

That sounds like the KOA!

-Don- Needles, CA

 

[DonTom]

Then perhaps the park should consider putting in a J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station

This crap. It has been my impression in reading since these free cars came out that they need lots of juice to charge efficiently. 15 amps is nothing.

Depends. It's time vs. power. Most people have a lot of time when home to charge. Or sitting around at an RV park. Or whatever. Think about the time you're not driving every day, that can be all charging times at 15 amps. Includes overnight, unless you never sleep.

Only for the long road trips is the DCFCing important. The slow AC charges are someties convenient on the road as well, but usually not used for getting a full charge during a long trip--except for when staying a motel. Near dead battery when you get to the motel. Leave with a full charge in the morning.

BTW, 15 amps can be a million watts! 66,667 volts at 15 amps is more than a million watts.

At 120 VAC @15 amps=1,800 watts. To charge a 60KWH battery in a Nissan Leaf from empty to full will take:

60,000KWH divied by 1.8KW=33.33 hours from empty to full charge. Does that sound that bad for somebody who drives one hour per day?

Use up perhaps 4KWH per day, which will be around 15 miles, for your shopping or whatever. When home, just plug in every time, unlike me who charges perhaps one time every two weeks or so, for 99.9% of my car use. I use 12KW. But that 15 amps @120 VAC will usually work for me.



-Don- Needles, CA

 

[DonTom]

Then perhaps the park should consider putting in a J-1772, or a Tesla Destination charge station

This crap. It has been my impression in reading since these free cars came out that they need lots of juice to charge efficiently. 15 amps is nothing..

Many Tesla destination charge stations (TDCs) are 14KW (240 VAC). Older ones are usually more, up to 24 KW. Higher AC charge power was MUCH more important in the days when there were very few DCFCs (DC Fast Chargers) on the road. Now, most of the newer ones are 12KW, just like the Tesla Wall Connector I use at home. Same thing, different name. Tesla Wall Connectors are used at home. Put the same charge station on the street for the public to use and now it is called a "Tesla Destination Charge Station." Often incorrectly called "chargers". But they are NOT chargers. They are only AC supplies, just like a home AC outlet. The charger is inside the EV, not at home or at motels.

DCFCs bypass the charger in the EV and go direct to the battery with DC so they can be very powerful compared to any AC input charging. 350,000 watts is getting somewhat common these days, but many are less, but a few are even more.

J-1772 (used to be mainly for non-Tesla) would normally be around 7.2 KW. But I have seen them as high as 16KW and as low as 3 KW. By far, most at around 7 KW, but they are going the opposite direction from Tesla. The newer J-1772's are more powerful than the older ones, in most cases.

-Don- Needles, CA

 

[DonTom]

We're looking at $500k+ to increase the capacity of the system to accommodate a handful of EVs.

Here I am charging at 7KW from solar panels. I doubt if this costs anything near 500K$.

It was fully paid for by donations, & is free for anybody to use.

Four 7KW plugs, all can be used at once ( Sierra Valley Nature Preserve, CA):

I have also charged my Tesla here as I went on a hike: