EV reliability compared to ICE

[DonTom]

Wow! The benefits of ev ownership just keep adding up

Did you read and understand the Tesla way? You may stay there all year not charging until at least 50% of the other chargers there are busy. The price doubles per minute when they are all busy. Thís very rarely happens at any Tesla charge station these days. But I have seen it happen in year 2019 in Silicon Valley, also once in Livermore CA, same trip) where all the Tesal charge stations were busy. Where I charged in Silicon Valley, a sign there said they are building a new Tesla Charge station just down the block.

IMAO, they should make it ten bucks per minute when they are all busy like that. And have no more than 3 minutes of free time after the charge is completed.

Not only does the Tesla App tell you the charging progress from a distance, but the car also itself will show on the screen the time to be back by as soon as it is plugged in. Even my electric motorcycles have that--all of them--no matter what I am charging with-even a free to use one or home charge.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[DonTom]

WHY does someone put fuel in a vehicle that still has 1/4 or 1/2 tank.

Me too. Gas gauges are nothing near the accuracy of electric vehicle SOC%. And can still drive perhaps 5 to ten percent of its total full charge range when below zero SOC%.

Gas vehicles cannot fill up at home. That is the major difference.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Lou Schneider]

Why??? I don’t know. You posted those polls. I just posted what they showed.

WHY does someone put fuel in a vehicle that still has 1/4 or 1/2 tank.

Because the in tank fuel pump can overheat and have it's life shortened if it's regularly run without cooling gas surrounding it.

 

[Chef Duane]

Because the in tank fuel pump can overheat and have it's life shortened if it's regularly run without cooling gas surrounding it.

Interesting. Never heard of that before. Makes sense, tho.

 

[DonTom]

Interesting. Never heard of that before. Makes sense, tho.

I am surprised you never heard that before.

These days, gas pumps are made cheaper, smaller and require more cooling than the old external electric gas pumps. But having them in the tank cooled by gasoline has another big advantage, it solves the old vapor lock issue on hot days.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Derby6]

Because the in tank fuel pump can overheat and have it's life shortened if it's regularly run without cooling gas surrounding it.

Although that may be true, most folks don’t know that or fill up for that reason. They do it because it just makes sense not to wait until the last minute. No different with an EV.
Get a lil juice while they drinking the kool aid.

 

[Chef Duane]

I am surprised you never heard that before.

These days, gas pumps are made cheaper, smaller and require more cooling than the old external electric gas pumps. But having them in the tank cooled by gasoline has another big advantage, it solves the old vapor lock issue on hot days.

-Don- Auburn, CA

I knew the fuel pump is in the tank, I just didn't know that the pump relies on being submerged in gas to keep it cool. I'm surprised that there aren't more gas pump failures.

 

[DonTom]

. No different with an EV.

I disagree with that because the norm is to charge when you get home. And the norm is also to have at least four or five times the charge you need when leaving home for the normal day--(not counting for long trips here, such as a couple of hundred miles).

Like me right now. I am in the Newcastle Denny's for my breakfast. I will charge when I get back home to 80% because I will need to head back to Reno today to make sure I am there when one of my new inverter gennies get delivered. I passed countless charge stations to get here--all useless to me. And always are useless to me. Well, almost. I tested my new Tesla CCS charging module at the non-Tesla CCS chargers at the Target store in Auburn for five minutes around a year ago.

-Don- Newcastle Denny's #6775, CA

 

[DonTom]

I knew the fuel pump is in the tank, I just didn't know that the pump relies on being submerged in gas to keep it cool. I'm surprised that there aren't more gas pump failures.

It's very unlikely to fail even when out of gas, but it will run a lot warmer and that is not good for its life expectancy.

-Don- New Castle Denny's CA

 

[rvlifer]

Did you read and understand the Tesla way?

I read it. Another thing i would have to start worrying about that i dont have to now.

The tesla way. Sounds way too much like religion to me.

 

[DonTom]

I read it. Another thing i would have to start worrying about that i dont have to now.

The tesla way. Sounds way too much like religion to me.

You probably never would have to worry about it with the number of Tesla Superchargers today. I doubt many of them get 50% used, with a few exceptions where those fines are a great thing that all EVs users should want. Beats waiting for hours to just start your charge.

If more people cared about others waiting, these fines will not be necessary.

And BTW (not sure if this is still true today since many Tesla Superchargers are open to more than Tesla), every cent made as profit, including these fines, only went to one thing, maintaining and building more Tesla Superchargers. Perhaps that is why they now have the best charging network there is.

BTW, do you think the 120 Tesla Supercharges in Quartzsite, AZ are enough? I saw around two or three of them in use when I checked:

-Don-Auburn, CA

 

[Derby6]

I disagree with that because the norm is to charge when you get home. And the norm is also to have at least four or five times the charge you need when leaving home for the normal day--(not counting for long trips here, such as a couple of hundred miles).

Like me right now. I am in the Newcastle Denny's for my breakfast. I will charge when I get back home to 80% because I will need to head back to Reno today to make sure I am there when one of my new inverter gennies get delivered. I passed countless charge stations to get here--all useless to me. And always are useless to me. Well, almost. I tested my new Tesla CCS charging module at the non-Tesla CCS chargers at the Target store in Auburn for five minutes around a year ago.

-Don- Newcastle Denny's #6775, CA

You disagree. NO WAY. LMAO
You say the norm. Based on your norm. Another example where your post is full of me and I’s.

 

[DonTom]

Another example where your post is full of me and I’s.

As well as most others, by far. You never did explain why somebody will want to pay double to charge near home.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[rvlifer]

You probably never would have to worry about it with the number of Tesla Superchargers today

But i never have to worry about it now. So let me summarize my understanding of owning an ev when i have to use public chargers

I have to disrupt my travel and figure out how to fill in a lot of time waiting for my ev to charge

I have to install thousands of apps and learn how to know which one and the correct procedure to use for each specific charger

I have to worry about having the right cord and have to carry different ones since chargers arent standardized yet

I have to spend a lot of time planning trips to make sure there are charging stations where i want to go and making sure i can use them when i get there

I may incur fines if i am not fast enough to move my vehicle after it is charged.

Am i missing anything?

 

[Derby6]

As well as most others, by far. You never did explain why somebody will want to pay double to charge near home.

-Don- Auburn, CA

You posted the link—read it. 80% charge at work where employers provide it. Your math is completely backwards. That would cost zero compared to home costs.

And you always talk about how cheap it is anyway. So if I can afford an EV, I’m sure a few extra cents doesn’t matter in the least to keep charged.

 

[DonTom]

Am i missing anything?

Yes, and a lot.

I have to install thousands of apps and learn how to know which one and the correct procedure to use for each specific charger

No, for Tesla just one app. The Tesla App. All you will need. And use it for more than your car, anything Tesla, such as for my Tesla Powerwall here in Auburn.

I have to disrupt my travel and figure out how to fill in a lot of time waiting for my ev to charge

Maybe. Charge during a lunch break or whatever after your long drive. I had to use them two times since year 2018. I have used them other times, but didn't need to. Such as when I had free Supercharging for six months and I wanted to see how it worked before I drove back to Reno, NV from Rocklin, CA, the day I picked up my Tesla. If you have a Zero electric motorcycle, you probably will have to use the AC charge stations a lot and have your 10,000 or so apps. Yeah, ridiculous for sure, but it is not a big deal to me--I enjoy the breaks--at least most of them. So do not get a Zero electric motorcycle (they cannot be DC fast charged on the road) if you need to take long trips and in a hurry all the time. Stick with Tesla for that, if you want to do it in an EV. But wouldn't you then use your RV anyway? Do you ever take breaks on long RV trips? I always do.

But we are not talking motorcycles & RVs here, are we?

So be sure to subtract all the time you went to gas stations because you had no other choice. And then see where you waste the most time when you can be charging right now as you type these messages from home. Or during the night when you sleep. Whenever your car is not being used.

IMO, if they started out with EVs, and then went to gas cars, people would complain like **** about the new need to go to gas stations even when their car is mostly used close to home.

When people in an RV forum complain about the time it takes to charge when they rarely use a car for a long trip, IMO, they are searching for things to complain about that don't usually even exist among RVers.

When it the last time you drove your car for more than 250 miles in one day? Is this a realistic thing for you to complain about with EVs?

I will straighten you out more later. I need to take my 99-mile drive to Reno right now. And it will be nonstop in my Chevy Bolt charged to 80%. And I will still have juice left over for the next few days if I do not want to charge when I get there.

BTW, I would take a motorcycle, but I think it could be too wet at the summit with all the snow they had up there the last couple of days.

-Don- Auburn, CA (computer off until Reno!)

 

[Derby6]

-Don- Auburn, CA (computer off until Reno!)

There is a god.

 

[rvlifer]

I will straighten you out more later.

Good luck with that. My wife swore the same thing and still hasnt done it after 31 yrs.

IOW i recommend not even trying. I used to think i might look at an ev for my next vehicle until i started reading all your ev posts.

I dont drive enough any more to make figuring all that out worth it.

 

[rvlifer]

No, for Tesla just one app. The Tesla App. All you will need. And use it for more than your car, anything Tesla, such as for my Tesla Powerwall here in Auburn.

youvstated in other posts how many apps you needed and how you had to deposit funds in each. I will never own a tesla. Shoot me if i ever install their app

 

[rvlifer]

So be sure to subtract all the time you went to gas stations because you had no other choice. And then see where you waste the most time when you can be charging right now as you type these messages from home. Or during the night when you sleep. Whenever your car is not being used.

I explained in another post how it would be difficult and very expensive to install a charger at home. I would primarily charge away from home.