EV Sales Rebound and Used EV Deals Disappearing Soon?

[DonTom]

As you know we often disagree.

But we only disagree when you're wrong about something!

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Brad Buchanan]

But the most important place, right at home is usually not one of them for ICE cars. Most people in the USA drive less than 40 miles per day.

Also, they have been selling farmland for housing. If this keeps up, we could all starve to death instead of being polluted to death from all the ICE vehicles.

-Don- Reno, NV

Here in America we love our big v-8 cars. You not so much.

In Europe 10 times the people die from cold as from heat and in china and the USA it is double the number.

Very few people can afford a heat pump to heat their homes and the vast majority use petroleum fuel.

I actually am a fan of electric cars and considered building a version myself however I think the majority of the folks buy the for virtue signaling.

China is one of the worlds biggest polluters but are skilled in leading the feeble minded to carry their water.

 

[TheBar]

How far do you normally drive? Just have a charge station there at your place. Sure beats a need to drive to a gas station when living in the boonies.
-Don- Reno, NV

Anyone with half a brain buys a car that meets all their needs. Not one that only meets their daily driving needs.

Outside DonTom's tiny world I'd say 90% of car owners occasionally leave their urban center to visit family or go on vacation.

A real world test vs DonTom "personal testimony" of any EV at real highway speeds (not 45 mph which EVs are tested at) with the A/C on might have an actual range of 200 miles.

Lets see: a Chevy Malibu making 36 mpg that has to refuel every 200 miles means the gas tank holds 5.5 gallons.

Why would ANYONE buy a car with a 5.5 gallon gas tank?

If you guessed DonTom, winner winner chicken dinner!!!!!

 

[DonTom]

with the A/C on might have an actual range of 200 miles.

The average A/C in an EV draws around 2 KW while on continuously, which means an 80 KWH battery will run the A/C for 40 hours when not being driven.

It has the most negative effect when driving slow (because it is on longer) where the range increases tremulously with EVs for the same distance. I never noticed the difference in range with my A/C on at any speed, , but I am not looking for it. I always have well more than enough charge in either of my EVs when I leave the garage. EVs usually have a WH/Mile indicator so you can drive at the speed that gives the best range. 38 MPH for Tesla M3 will often be more than 400 miles of range on a charge, well above where they spec the range on a full charge. Try to keep the wh/mile indicate at the lowest number for the best range. Easy to use.

Why would ANYONE buy a car with a 5.5 gallon gas tank?

I have several motorcycles with larger tanks than that, which average better than 50 MPG. Such as the 7 gallon tank in my 2013 Triumph Trophy.

But when you consider the average car in the USA is used for less than 40 miles per day, there are perhaps many who do not care much about range.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[DonTom]

however I think the majority of the folks buy the for virtue signaling.

Not these days, EVs are way too common and often cannot even notice which is the EV.

Here in America we love our big v-8 cars. You not so much.

I like the large V8's in my motorhomes. But other than that, I prefer the convivence of EVs. Especially home charging. But also no engine oil to check or change, no smog checks, etc.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[TheBar]

But when you consider the average car in the USA is used for less than 40 miles per day, there are perhaps many who do not care much about range.

-Don- Reno, NV

Again, average miles driven per day is a completely useless figure to be mentioning.

If everyone who buys an EV only drives 40 miles per day then EVs would only have a 40 mile range.

Those that don't care about range have nowhere to go and nobody to visit.

Which I believe typifies most EV owners. The rest are just trying to look cool because they aren't.

 

[Brad Buchanan]

But when you consider the average car in the USA is used for less than 40 miles per day, there are perhaps many who do not care much about range.

Perhaps a person who does not drive anywhere but urban areas doesn't care about range but people who live rural really do.

I really like the fact that I can fill the tank and have that range and not worry about my watt hours. And that range is not 38mph which might be fine for you but not someone who has responsibilities and needs to get places in a timely manner.

 

[John From Detroit]

Why would ANYONE buy a car with a 5.5 gallon gas tank?

As I recall the Hyundai I rented last year was around 300 miles
Completive with the 18 gallon tank on a 2005 Buick Lasaber.
I drove from the Boston Airport. to Eastham. MA drove around to the visitation and funeral and cemetery and I think Church on Sunday before I had to plug in. Plugged in over night and back to the airport car rental, delta and my Jeep.

 

[DonTom]

If everyone who buys an EV only drives 40 miles per day then EVs would only have a 40 mile range.

Same with ICVs, Of course there are those rare exceotions.

But EV owners over a years time usually waste a lot less time than those who need to got to gas stations over the year. And get oil changes and smog checks and . . .

-Don- Reno, NV