Firefox.... a forced update ?

carson1

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Hi,  Have been using FF 7.1 for a long time now. Did not want to update manually as everything I needed is working perfectly and I did not want to disturb any of my plug-ins. Don't use very many.

  Today I noticed that my current version is sitting at 12.0.  I never updated it myself. I found no change in behavior....yet.  I guess I should have no worries. Is this forced update a regular future ? Auto-update is turned off.

Almost daily I am getting a request to upload version 18.1 but I see nothing on the list that makes any sense for my system.  This is not an emergency call.



 
Unless you don't actually browse the internet at large, you should always keep up.  As part of my job I review a weekly list of exploitable bugs in various software (Chrome recently had a big list!), I don't recall a week that doesn't have some bug in Firefox.  Many aren't that big a deal, however some are a very big deal.

Keep your OS patched up as well. 
 
Many of the changes in later versions were security updates.  I strongly recommend you keep Firefox up to date as each new version is released.  These come out every 6 weeks, with occasional security releases in between.  Most useful addons have been kept up to date with the later releases, and those that haven't have been deserted by their authors and should be dropped.
 
I guess no one knows the answer, Carson. Unfortunately, neither do I. If it IS forced, I may never upgrade to that point -- I want the choice, not someone telling me I need to keep up.
 
braindead said:
Unless you don't actually browse the internet at large, you should always keep up.  As part of my job I review a weekly list of exploitable bugs in various software (Chrome recently had a big list!), I don't recall a week that doesn't have some bug in Firefox.  Many aren't that big a deal, however some are a very big deal.

Keep your OS patched up as well. 
Ned said:
Many of the changes in later versions were security updates.  I strongly recommend you keep Firefox up to date as each new version is released.  These come out every 6 weeks, with occasional security releases in between.  Most useful addons have been kept up to date with the later releases, and those that haven't have been deserted by their authors and should be dropped.

I didn't realize this, I figured they just wanted to irritate me with all those updates ......I will do better at updating. Thanks!
 
Nobody forces you to update, but the prudent internet user keeps his tools up to date for protection.
 
Larry N. said:
I guess no one knows the answer, Carson. Unfortunately, neither do I. If it IS forced, I may never upgrade to that point -- I want the choice, not someone telling me I need to keep up.

Larry,

It might help your decision to know that at least of quarter of my time managing the $8 million dollar Medicare database project I manage is spent in managing security updates to browsers, operating systems, and application software. It is so critical and time urgent that the DOD mandates the patches be installed on a sliding scale within 30 days maximum and immediately minimum or we will loose our authority to operate. We are subject to weekly audits and compliance is not optional.

Now your personal computer may not contain the kind of data that requires that level of attention, but please rethink your reluctance to stay updated. Inconvenient, yes, but it is the smart money.

Would you fly without current charts? It's a little like that.

Kim
 
Kim and Ned,

I do understand what updates are about and what problems can occur  -- my objection is to FORCED updates (and updates that break things), not to updates as such. The FAA doesn't force you to buy charts at their whim, they allow you to decide when, though they do have a rule (rightly so) about current charts.

And Carson's question still isn't answered -- perhaps no one knows. I'd like to know, too, if Firefox is going to forced updates.
 
I hate updates whether they are forced or not. Updates suck. They serve no purpose other than to provide a job for software writers. That is why they are called "security" updates. They provide software writers with job security. I stopped updating around the year 2000. The only time I have updated anything willfully was in 2004 when I had to install Service pack 2 to Win XP so that Wifi would work. Any time I have a new computer or reinstall Windows the first thing I do is shut down every single automatic update I can find.

I keep reading people's opinions that updates are so important, but that is all that that is, an opinion. No one backs up their opinions with any type of fact at all.

In the last 13 years I have saved myself hundreds of boring hours needlessly updating my computer. And there is nothing more boring that updating a computer, besides listening to the "experts" telling me how important it is to update. In the last 13 years, actually going back over 30 plus years I have owned a computer, I have never gotten a virus, any malware nor had my computer compromised. So what am I missing? Not a thing other than spending hundreds of boring hours watching my computer get updated.

The reason why I stopped updating is because too many times I did an update and something was changed in the updated program that I did not like. Those I call downdates. Take my current Chromebook. I have been using it for the last 6 months. It is updated automatically behind the scenes and there is nothing I can do about it. But I knew this before I bought the Chromebook and I figured I could trust Google. Wrong. When I first got this machine I loved the way it was so easy to put to sleep and so easy to wake up. Shut the lid and it sleeps, open the lid and it wakes up and all the tabs were refreshed automatically. Then a month later there was an update. Now when I open the lid the tabs don't refresh automatically. So now I have to sit and watch the stupid icon blink and blink and blink until it finally gets a signal. Then I have to manually refresh every tab. What a stupid idea. And I have no recourse, no way to roll it back. I suppose now my computer is "safer" ::)

The best thing about the Chromebook is that I no longer use my Windows laptop to access the Internet so there is now absolutely no chance anything will ever get updated on the machine again. It works just fine, I don't need no software writers updating anything.

So maybe someday something bad will happen to a computer of mine because I don't update. Worst case scenario would be completely wiping out Windows. Oh wow, it takes me 2 hours to reinstall Windows and all my applications. I am still hundreds of boring hours ahead. And they can't harm my data. It is backed up way to frequently and in too many places to have my data compromised.
 
Firefox will only update automatically if you tell it to.  You can also just have it notify you of updates and you can choose if/when to apply them.  Go to Options, Advanced, Update tab.  The only program I let update itself automatically is my anti-virus, MSE.
 
18.0.1 updated this AM early.  The last time I had any problem was with service pac 3 for windows, it reduced my puter into a cup holder. After that I turned off the auto and havent updated windows again except to buy new version. 

Is this why Mac users laugh at windows??

 
Yep Cat! Windows update reduced one of my laptops to a boat anchor! No updates for me. But otoh I dont use my compter online anyway.
 
I thought that several versions back FF had gone to forced updates, but  I did a search on the Firefox forum and that doesn't seem to be the case.

However in my case "Updates" in Tools/Options in mine is checked "Check for updates but let me choose whether to install them" and it does not give me a choice - just automatically installs them.
 
Just to re-confirm: My setting has been on "Check for updates but let me choose whether to install them"  since I started using FF. Yet version 12 appeared without my knowledge. Gremlins at work, I suppose.

 
When you check "Check for updates but let me choose whether to install them" Firefox will not automatically install any updates but if you go to Help, About, and then click on "Check for Updates" it will download and install the latest version as that's what you just asked it to do.
 
Thanks, Ned.  A bit of a misnomer in my opinion. I don't recall ever having clicked on that button. As I said...Gremlins at work. I'll just take your word for it.  So far no harm done that I can tell.

-30- 
 
The path to knowledge:

Tools | Options | ADVANCED

Now click on the UPDATES tab.

:And you will receive enlightenment (At least in version 18)

I think it's been that path for several versions.
 
carson said:
John, there is no "UPDATE" tab, the tab says "Check for Updates".  That is my point.
That's because you clicked Help, not Tools.  Detroit John has it right if you read it closely.
 

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