Gasoline starting on May 1.

[LarsMac]

Daughter's car can use it, but, we found the mileage to be horrible when we ran over the hill to Grand Junction.

 

[runamuck]

the EPA is only allowing the sale of it not mandating it. like said by a few others, not likely to happen at a station near me.

 

[John From Detroit]

Daughter's car can use it, but, we found the mileage to be horrible when we ran over the hill to Grand Junction.

MIne says 10% max higher alcohol content may damage

 

[LarsMac]

MIne says 10% max higher alcohol content may damage

Yeah. The cars that can use 85% usually have a big yellow fuel Cap, and a Label stating that it can be safely used by THIS Vehicle. If you don't see that, stay away from the stuff.
Several Rental vehicles that I used in 2010-2020 decade came with such labels. Several time the rental agent would point it out and then say that they would really appreciate me not using that fuel.

 

[DonTom]

MIne says 10% max higher alcohol content may damage

What year is it?

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

What year is it?

2014

 

[DonTom]

2014

I thought everything 2001 and newer was supposed to be okay with the E-15. Not that I would use it in anything of any year.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[Wasillaguy]

Racers have been blending hooch into their gas for years to get extra horsies, especially with forced air intakes. I have a Nissan Frontier with a supercharger and a still, and have done this myself, just for fun.
The big unknown with commercial blends is the purity of the ethanol being blended in. I can only get to about 87% with my setup, which means 13% of what I put in my tank is water. One reason I only did it once. Ran like a striped ass ape, and the water is more than likely burned with the fuel, but I have this mental image of a separated puddle in the bottom of my tank just waiting to get sucked into the fuel line.
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[LarsMac]

I thought everything 2001 and newer was supposed to be okay with the E-15. Not that I would use it in anything of any year.

-Don- Auburn, CA

Not all.
No, not all cars built after 2000 can use E85 gas. While most vehicles manufactured after 2000 are compatible with E15 (15% ethanol), running E85 (up to 85% ethanol) requires a vehicle to be specifically designed as a Flex-Fuel Vehicle (FFV).

• FFV Requirements: To safely run E85, a car must have specific sensors, fuel lines, and engine calibrations to detect ethanol content and adjust performance accordingly.
• Compatibility Check: Only vehicles with an FFV badge, a yellow gas cap, or a label near the fuel filler indicating E85 compatibility can use this fuel; standard cars built after 2000 generally cannot.
• Risks: Using E85 in a non-FFV vehicle can cause engine damage due to lean conditions, corrosion of rubber seals, and improper fuel management.

To determine if a specific vehicle is compatible, owners should consult their owner's manual or check for an FFV designation on the fuel door or dashboard.

 

[DonTom]

No, not all cars built after 2000 can use E85 gas.

Yeah, I just now noticed my own message number 15 says "most" not all.

A lot of cars do not fit into "most".

• Safe for: Most cars made after 2000 and "flex-fuel" vehicles.

-Don- Auburn, CA

 

[John From Detroit]

I thought everything 2001 and newer was supposed to be okay with the E-15. Not that I would use it in anything of any year.

-Don- Auburn, CA

I just read the manual. it says E-10 or less.

 

[DonTom]

I just read the manual. it says E-10 or less.

Page 42 of the owner's manual for this 2021 Ford 7.3L in this 2022 Class A.

"Do not use fuel containing more than 15% ethanol or E85 fuel"

I was thinking E-85 meant 15% ethanol, but no, a Brave Browser Search says;

"E85 fuel contains between 51% and 85% ethanol, with the remainder being gasoline. "

-Don- Sac Pass, NV

 

[Mr Lars]

There is a tremendous difference between E15 and E85.

 

[DonTom]

There is a tremendous difference between E15 and E85.

Yep, there sure is, but I had them confused as 85 is 15 below 100, and I somehow incorrectly assumed one was 85% gasoline meaning 15% ethanol.

I do not recall ever seeing either one and I also would never use either in anything, so it really doesn't even apply to me.

-Don- Sac Pass, NV

 

[John From Detroit]

Yep, there sure is, but I had them confused as 85 is 15 below 100, and I somehow incorrectly assumed one was 85% gasoline meaning 15% ethanol.

E = Ethanol G=Gasoline. so E-10 10% booze e-85=85% Booze.

Yup the gas tank, only place you mix gas and booze.

True story: Standard Oil back in the day in the winter advertised "My Advice Sir, Get De-Icer"
(Worked too I might add, but the story is not for this post save to say I switched to Standard due to fuel line freezing)

De-Icer turned out to be HEET brand gas line anti-freeze the drivers would add at time of delivery.

It's pure alcohol.

Worked too.

 

[Cmprman]

So if they end up doing this E15 thing I wonder if it will replace the E10 or it will be a separate nozzle.

 

[DonTom]

So if they end up doing this E15 thing I wonder if it will replace the E10 or it will be a separate nozzle.

"Yes, E-15 gasoline is typically dispensed through a separate nozzle.

• Visual Identification: Pumps dispensing E-15 are federally required to have a conspicuous yellow or orange label stating it can only be used in 2001 and newer vehicles.
• Labeling: The fuel is usually marked as Super 88, Unleaded 88, Regular 88, Clean 88, eBlend, or Unleaded 15, rather than Regular 87.
• Blender Pumps: While some stations use "blender pumps" that mix fuels from the same nozzle, these stations are also required to provide a separate E10 pump for consumers who wish to avoid E-15."

 

[Lou Schneider]

Page 42 of the owner's manual for this 2021 Ford 7.3L in this 2022 Class A.

"Do not use fuel containing more than 15% ethanol or E85 fuel"

I was thinking E-85 meant 15% ethanol, but no, a Brave Browser Search says;

"E85 fuel contains between 51% and 85% ethanol, with the remainder being gasoline. "

-Don- Sac Pass, NV

E-15 (up to 15% Ethanol) replacing E-10 (up to 10% Ethanol) fuel is what we're talking about here. E-85 is completely different.

 

[John From Detroit]

"Yes, E-15 gasoline is typically dispensed through a separate nozzle.

• Visual Identification: Pumps dispensing E-15 are federally required to have a conspicuous yellow or orange label stating it can only be used in 2001 and newer vehicles.
• Labeling: The fuel is usually marked as Super 88, Unleaded 88, Regular 88, Clean 88, eBlend, or Unleaded 15, rather than Regular 87.
• Blender Pumps: While some stations use "blender pumps" that mix fuels from the same nozzle, these stations are also required to provide a separate E10 pump for consumers who wish to avoid E-15."

I would not count on that yellow sticker. After all they used to require it at 5 and 10% as well but that requirement went away .

 

[DonTom]

I would not count on that yellow sticker. After all they used to require it at 5 and 10% as well but that requirement went away .

Yes, I noticed the word "usually".

-Don- Sac Pass, NV