Hello Everyone! I'm on the Precipice of a Purchasing a Class A DP - Need a Nudge

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kp1xx1

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Hello everyone.  My wife and I are nearing 40 and have two young children, 6 and 9.  We're in the midst of the realization that these last 9 years (and more so the last 6) have gone by in a flash and have made it an immediate goal to start spending as much down to goodness quality time with our kids as possible. 

I grew up camping; starting in a small Coleman pop-up and by the time I moved out on my own my parents were into n-Aire Newmar fifth wheels. My wife on the other hand never camped, nor did her parents do much outside of day trips to the beach or family BBQs.  Over the years her and I've been married she's worked up the courage to tent a few times.  She doesn't like the comfort level and I really dislike all of the work!  Over the last few years, my children have spent a lot of time glamping with my parents and are totally in love with it.

So I decided it was time for us to start camping as a family.  I went through the must haves and the nice to haves and I finally arrived at buying a used pusher over all other RVs.  I made this decision based on reliability, ease of set-up, and overall flexibility to go wherever we wanted whenever we wanted.  I've spent the last year flying around the country looking at units and eventually decided early to mid 2000's Monaco Signatures could not be beat.  We intend on spending many weekends doing local trips and one to two big trips per year (Florida, western states, NE, etc.)

Once I finally found the "one", we did some things we should have done earlier like understanding how much plates cost in our state (FYI - its $612 per yer per $100,000 of original MSRP - regardless of vehicle age) and comparing the total cost of ownership per year to how much we think we'd really use it considering our jobs and kids in school limiting the amount of time to roughly 30 days a year. This late breaking exercise put a sure thing into a "is this the right call?" in a hurry.

So here I am, needing to make a call soon before I lose the deal.  Its not a matter of whether or not we can afford it - we can. And its not a matter of will we camp - we will.  Its a matter of how we will do it (a trip to the local camper show has her thinking travel trailers are a much less expensive option - which they are of course).  To sum it up, if I don't make the deal on the current coach, it'll be hard to buy another because the deal is incredible.  That'll mean I'll probably end up purchasing a 30' TT - which I fear the difference will just drive me insane, plus perhaps limit the things we can do with it. 

So, from the wisdom of all on this forum who perhaps have been here before, what did you decide, what did you learn, and what would you do now knowing what you didn't know then?

Thanks so much for your anticipated helpful advice!
 
First, welcome to the forum.
Second, because of your wife's very limited experience, I would wait on making a purchase. Try camping in a TT for a weekend and go from there.
 
Sound advice above, but it doesn't address the immediacy of the deal you are looking at.  YI would normally caution a newcomer to avoid leaping on any deal, but, you seem to have done your homework and so I'd be inclined to grab the deal IF you are sure it is really that good.  I'll caution that newcomers to RVs often misjudge that, but, again, you seem to have prepped well and perhaps can make that call.  If this really is a fantastic deal, you should be able to re-sell privately in a year or two if things don't work out. A mid-2000's Signature in excellent condition should hold its value well and if you are financially secure, you could wait for a buyer who appreciates it rather than a brgain hunter.


Based on what you said, I'm pretty sure you would be disappointed in any travel trailer you might get.  Few, if any, are going to be in the class of a Signature as far as quality of components, amenities, structure, and so on.  A high end 5W would be more likely to offer what you are seeing in the Signature.  However, you will also find that a comfortably sized and well-equipped trailer, plus a truck adequate to tow it, will come rather close to the motorhome in purchase cost. The DP is probably more expensive to maintain, though.
 
I agree with Gary.  You've done your homework, If you like it, can afford it, well do it.  Life is too short and many of my best memories are with the kids in our Class C, (aka the Rolling Turd)  (you gotta watch the movie RV with Robin Williams)

Good luck, let us know  :))

ps: remember the golden rule though, if mama is not happy, no one is happy.  However, remind her that a 30' TT will require a 3/4 ton truck, and you can't go potty going down the road in a TT.  lol.
 
with 2 children I recommend bunk beds. Like some have said, rent a unit for a week, then decide. This current "deal" can wait. Other "deals" will show up over time.
 
Some of the biggest disasters I have read about here on this forum involved people making snap decisions on buying an RV when they are basically beginners. Slow down and investigate this purchase and make sure you are not making a very expensive mistake. There are thousands of RVs for sale in this country, this is not the only great deal.
 
kp1xx1 said:
I've spent the last year flying around the country looking at units and eventually decided early to mid 2000's Monaco Signatures could not be beat.

AS much as I agree many / most about renting one, trying one, other deals, it's not like it's a Snap Decision  ::)  He has flown around looking at units.

If you pull the trigger, I would highly recommend a clause that you can have it professionally inspected and the results are satisfactory to you.
 
It now turns out that I won't be ready for another 2 years, but I too have zeroed in on Monaco, although probably not the $$$$ Signature.

Like you, I do plan on taking my time, traveling around a bit to check out different sales.

Can you share details of your deal, why it seems so good to you, and what the seller's situation is, specifically is it a private sale or a consignment dealer or something else entirely.

 
And I did talk to my insurance guy about "Flood damaged" or otherwise "totaled" vehicles.

The catch with trying to insure a "salvage title" vehicle is that the insurance companies figure "we've already paid for it once and we're not going to pay for it again." So in their minds it has virtually no residual value.

So, for example, you buy a salvage title DP for $30,000 that would otherwise be $60,000. Great deal, but if you smash a corner in a parking lot or drive it off the road, the insurance company might give you a maximum of $4000.

As a beginner?most likely to ream the side of an RV with a sneaky tree branch (or drive off a cliff), I decided that I couldn't afford to be driving a salvage title vehicle.
 
breezie,
That's only partially true.  Some insurers simply refuse to deal with salvage title vehicles because of the need to re-establish its value, but if the insurer agrees to insure it, it has value and that value is established in the policy coverage section.  If there is any question about the condition of a salvage title unit, the RV can be professionally surveyed to establish its fair market value.  In fact, I would suggest that anyway, before the sale, since it protects you as the buyer as well as the insurer.
 
Are you SURE this is a deal, or does it just look like a deal.  I was talking to an experienced RV inspector last weekend, and he was talking about recently looking at a similar age upper end diesel pusher for himself.  Found one in immaculate condition, seemingly well maintained, great asking price, .... and he was just about to buy it when he received a phone call from the fluid testing lab.  The lab called since there was no customer name on the sample, he told them it was for himself, and they warned him to run away due to extremely high wear indicators in the engine oil.
 
Hello everyone, thanks for the great replies.  I really appreciate those of you who gave me the benefit of the doubt on my level of experience and research.  Granted I am not an experienced DP owner, but I've been involved (indirectly at least) in RV'ing for the better part of two decades.  There are many good questions and comments I will take the time and answer or address.  Note these aren't in any particular order.


1.) "Make sure momma is happy!" - this is so true.  We spent some MORE time talking and as it turns out, she's determined she wants more sleeping space than the unit I had zeroed in on offered.  It was a double slide Caeser '43 and offered just one "magic bed" jackknife sofa.  Its pretty important for her for either her sister and sister's husband, or brother and brother's wife, to come with us on occasion.  When they aren't with us the kids would each have their own bed to stretch out.  As such, she has added the requirement of opposing slide outs on the front of the coach, both with sofa beds.  This was a total surprise and was one of those things that simply arises with time. 


2.) Bunk beds - unfortunately, the makes we've narrowed down to (Monaco a clear first choice, with Newmars and Country Coaches in 2nd) simply don't offer these in the models we want.  Also, as the kids get older, the size of these may become a detractor for us.


3.) Why did I like the unit I found so much, and why do I like the Monaco Signatures? - For anyone who also has another expensive hobby (classic cars) the word "survivor" should ring a bell.  The unit I found had 33,000 miles on it and honestly couldn't have been used than a handful of times.  It was as if the owner bought it, drove it around the country for a few years, slept in hotels, then put it into climate controlled storage.  It was being offered at a consignment lot.  After seeing many different makes and models, the reason I set Monaco Signatures as my #1 choice is due to the actual and apparent quality, number of typical options I find attractive (big engines, big generators, all-electric, etc.), and chassis construction.  Big engines are a nice to have for me because two of our potential towable vehicles are over 5,000 lbs.  Big generators are great for dry camping and running a big coach without too many compromises.  Like Country Coach, Monaco (at that time at least) was building their own chassis.  This meant great under storage space, and on the Signatures each compartment is separated from the adjoining ones.  What it boils down to is a lot of preferential items I like are on most of the Signatures I look at.

*In regards to the above point #3 and a few of the replies, its helpful to understand I looked at this unit twice (bear in mind it was nearly 2,000 miles away) and actually didn't engage into negotiating until approximately 2 months after the first visit.  I certainly understand the point about snap decisions, but 60 day decision periods don't qualify :)  Granted, I did not explain this in my first post, and it could certainly be interpreted as a hurried decision.  Also, as I have been keeping an eye on the units I like, there are typically 10 - 20 for sale in my price range at any given time.  They don't typically tend to sell in a hurry but I have called on some only to hear they took a deposit the day before.  Again, the comments on waiting and there will be others are excellent general advice, but I am just sharing my personal situation as perhaps another person can find it useful later.

Now, this of course begs the question why was it on the market so long?  My determination was really due to decor.  Most people aren't down for green carpet and pickled cabinetry - but I am!  For anyone who cares to Google "Mondrian" you'll see what I'm referring to.

4.)  Gary (I have read a number of your posts and appreciate your approach to advice and replies!), you summed it up perfectly.  I tried to talk myself into TTs for the longest time and it just never felt right. I told myself I'd be happy with the money I saved, but in the end I know it would bother me - especially when crossing paths with DPs on trips! 

In summary, it turns out it wasn't the unit for us in the end after my wife's realization on requiring additional sleeping capacity.  This is after over a year of shopping, discussion, etc., so it goes to show for anyone shopping to keep evaluating their needs right up to purchase.  I also honestly doubt a deal of that level will present itself for a while, but you never know. For me, its irrelevant now, and we're back on the hunt.  I've found a few that do look worth a trip to see, but I'm also very keen on Cummins engines, and towards the end of time period I am considering a lot of owners ordered the mid level Detroit option, which was in between the standard ISM and the top option ISX.  So, I'll keep on hunting and I'll be sure to keep this post updated!

Thanks again for all of the excellent replies.


 
I don't think you are going t find many high-end rigs in that age group with more sleeping capacity. The market for those coaches was 100% retired senior couples, and the available floor plans reflect their wants & needs.

A change of the "must have" list at the time of purchase could be either a late realization of a need or buyer panic, i.e.fear of making a mistake. In either case, you and the wife need to revisit your requirements and re-write the list.  The most difficult choice is between the true "must haves" and "want to have".  A "Must have" has to be an absolute show stopper, whereas "want to have" items might be sacrificed to get something else you also want, e.g. a great price, superior condition, or some extra features.
 
Gary RV_Wizard said:
I don't think you are going t find many high-end rigs in that age group with more sleeping capacity. The market for those coaches was 100% retired senior couples, and the available floor plans reflect their wants & needs.

Spot on Gary.  Its a catch 22 on the features I have identified as important.  I'm forced into compromises because of what I would like to have within the boundary conditions I have defined.  But, let us be honest, for the 99% of us who have some level of budget (Prevost could build me EXACTLY what I want for $2M+ I am sure!), it is always a compromise!

Interestingly, I would argue that there really isn't such a thing as a "need" on any RV (be it pop-up to top of the line DP) as they are luxury items that no one actually "needs".  So its all "wants" balanced by what is available from manufacturers within the budgets buyers define.
 
Just in case... they say there is NO question that is Dumb  :D but I may be on the verge of being a bit "bold" and possibly *annoying* - though not intentionally.  Please :)  My Birthday is the 27th this month ? I'd consider it a favor ? a wonderful birthday gift ... Would you ? by any chance?  be willing ? to share with me the fantastic deal you found on a diesel pusher?  It sounds like it would be perfect for my husband and I who are "wannabe" looking, searching for a fantastic deal on just what you described.
If it's not against the rules ? Moderators / Administrators ?  I would surely like to get an e-mail from KP1xx1 ;-)  byrd at gulftel dot com is the way to reach me.
Thank you so much,
Sassy Cathy in "LA" Lower Alabama (Robertsdale the Hub City of Baldwin County) 20 miles north of beautiful Gulf Shores
 
SassyCathy said:
Just in case... they say there is NO question that is Dumb  :D but I may be on the verge of being a bit "bold" and possibly *annoying* - though not intentionally.  Please :)  My Birthday is the 27th this month ? I'd consider it a favor ? a wonderful birthday gift ... Would you ? by any chance?  be willing ? to share with me the fantastic deal you found on a diesel pusher?  It sounds like it would be perfect for my husband and I who are "wannabe" looking, searching for a fantastic deal on just what you described.
If it's not against the rules ? Moderators / Administrators ?  I would surely like to get an e-mail from KP1xx1 ;-)  byrd at gulftel dot com is the way to reach me.
Thank you so much,
Sassy Cathy in "LA" Lower Alabama (Robertsdale the Hub City of Baldwin County) 20 miles north of beautiful Gulf Shores

I'd love to help but the reason I mentioned the deal was about to become unavailable was the owner was preparing to bring their unit back home for the winter.  Best of luck on your search!
 
OK.  Renting first is the way to go.  Although it is expensive.  We are calculating a 522 (let's say 1200 or 1300 miles round trip) trip to Pidgeon Forge plus a little extra mileage... 1 week / 7 days / diesel motorhome (like what we'd want to buy) 100 miles per day included extra miles @ .35 cent per mile estimating around $1500 for the week, generator extra $ ? plus insurance coverage $35 per day ? plus average ? $30 per day for a spot with hookup, plus fuel at around $360 +/- ? anyway we added up to be around $2525.00 for the full week not counting food we'd eat.  That would be around $360 per day.  Hmmm ???? we could stay in some nice cabins for that kind of money.
Am I missing something? 
Can anyone tell me *their* average per diem using a diesel pusher motorhome?  calculating *all* your expenses...
We are doing our homework - talking to owners - looking at different models - asking and listening - watching DVD's The RV Orientation / Drive your Motorhome like a pro ? books : How to select, inspect and Buy and RV/Motorhome ? The RV Handbook ?
We may? come out ahead just renting rather than owning and having to maintain a *second* home ;-) 
Please give input / ideas / thoughts suggestions. 
I hear you saying ? over and over again ? A motorhome is not an investment ? it *is* a rapidly decreasing depreciating asset.  ;D :eek: :eek:
 
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