I FEEL CHEATED!

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Wildcountry

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No customer should have to fork out $50000 for a new camper to sit in his drive for two months of the summer unable to use it.


SUPERIOR PRODUCTS AND COMPLETELY SATISFIED OWNERS



We live on Cape Cod, Massachusetts and we began 2023 with a desire to replace our ageing 2011 Gulf Stream Visa trailer with a larger more spacious unit, but on our first trip to a local dealer we discovered that our Kia Sedona minivan was maxed out @ 3500lbs and before we could move up we needed to get some serious towing muscle so in February we traded the minivan for a GMC Yukon Denali with a capacity of 8700lbs. We spent a lot of time looking at trailer options online and honing out our wish list but with the cost of the above we were not really expecting to buy until next year.

In June we hitched up our Gulf Stream and travelled to Pennsylvania and Ohio (to see “Moses” in Lancaster and “Rory Feek” in concert in Walnut Creek).

Just before our exit in Akron we passed Campers World and decided it would be nice to saunter in and look at some of the new models. We discovered the Keystone Bullet 253RDS and were smitten, it had everything on our wish-list and the sweetener - we were offered $1500 more on our trade than we could get at home.



NOW WHAT COULD GO WRONG?



We picked up our new trailer and drove home 700 miles to Cape Cod with just a 4-hour layover in a Walmart parking lot.

The next day, at home, we discovered the refrigerator was not working, frustrated we were calling, texting and emailing the salesman and not getting much help. Almost by accident I discovered something hanging down under the slide-out, seeing what looked like a shredded garden hose I put my hand up to check it out and saw a spark, it was then that I saw a mass of bare shredded wires and realized I could have been electrocuted. I had absolutely no idea up until this point that campers that have electrical appliances (fridge or stove) in the slide-out have the electrical wiring harnesses to the appliances located outside underneath the slide-out. This is an ignorant design considering the sort of money that we owners fork out for these rigs. As I said this discovery is new to me (since then I have found it to be a notorious problem with a myriad of posts from owners on the internet, enough you would think for the manufacturers to want to do something about the problem).

We talked to the salesman in Akron who said he would talk to his contact at Keystone to see how this could happen. There was absolutely no follow through on this, we spent more than a week calling and texting trying to contact the salesman for an update and to try and find out what they intended to do to rectify our situation.

Two and a half weeks after we arrived home, the service department in Akron told us we should contact the local Campers World nearest to us so that they could send a technician out to assess the problem (note it was we who had to do the calling to solve their problem – what happened to the principle of service?). We called Campers World in Berkley, Massachusetts but they do not have a mobile technician and referred us to Campers World in Uxbridge, Massachusetts and they set up an appointment for August 1. The day arrived but no technician came so we called Campers World in Uxbridge again, only to discover the secretary who made the appointment had been fired and they had no record of our appointment. Campers World Uxbridge made a new appointment for August 9, the technician came and was able to repair the wiring so that the refrigerator now works but they need warranty approval for a replacement wiring harness carrier, we cannot use or move the camper until such time as that is fixed. Another 9 days went by before Camping World, Uxbridge confirmed the warranty had been approved and they were ordering the replacement part but could not say how long Keystone will take to provide it.

When we purchased the camper, because we were out-of-State the dealer said they would use a Third-Party to do the registration, it would take about three weeks, but a month later we received a call from the Service Manager at Campers World, Akron to say the registration documentation was sitting on their desk all this time, it had never gone to the Third-Party and now they thought it best to courier the documents to us direct and we could take it to our local registry, so now I had to go and que (standing) for 3 hours to do the registration that we paid them to do.

This whole process has been quite an education for us, I am only beginning to learn of some of the horrendous problems other owners have suffered. The RV Industry is truly in a mess, customer service is not something to be talked about in sales waffle on the company’s website, it is something to be practiced and when it is done right it is worth as much as your best, longest serving employee. If Keystone practiced customer service our camper would have been picked up the day after we got home and either repaired or replaced by the end of June. No customer should have to fork out $50000 for a new camper to sit in his drive for two months of the summer unable to use it.
 
Very sorry to hear your woes, but as many here will testify, NEVER buy from camping world.
I hope you get it sorted soon.
 
{sarcasm} -> Camping World is our favorite place to stop... but only when Walmart is out of toilet paper.

OP - thanks for sharing - you are correct - no one should be faced with a POS that everyone tries to avoid fixing - but here we all are, purchasing new ones all the times.

Many folk recommend buying used in hopes the original owner corrected all the factory installed faults.
 
Have yoy thought about fitting a temporary cable support, then driving to the camping world and blocking their drive until they get off their butts and help you.
That's the only language they do.
 
Camping world is a great accessory store for all the junk you don't really need.
But if you bought new you need to check with the builder to see if you can have a local technician fix it.

If you have a slide with electrical "Stuff" (and most do) How would you handle the wires.
on my rig two of them the wires were inside above the floor and protrectred from OH CRAP that can happen if say a tire blows.
But on the main slide. there was a metal "Arm" (Complete with elbow) the wrist end was connected to the slide and the "Shoulder" end to the main body (or the other way around) (NOTE all joints were "elbow" type meaning they only bend one way like a door hinge) the arm was longer than the slide out so extended it was a very flat V and retracted mrore like an equals sig.. The wires were attached. very well attached. to the arm.
 
Sorry to hear of your woes. Now you know why a lot of folks will just fix things instead of waiting for something that will happen at sometime in the future.
The hobby you are entering requires one of two things: a very big wallet or a lot of skills. RV's are not rocket science and most use the same components so if you learn one you have most of the next one aced.
We have been lucky enough with three rigs that none had anything bad enough to need to go to the dealer. They all had some problems but none that a handy person couldn't fix.
 
You bought a new RV? You bought it on impulse? You bought it from Camping World? You didn't have it inspected? What could go wrong?
 
I had a lot of problems with my dealer (Not Camping World) refusing to fix things on my brand-new motorhome because they claimed I broke them!! (Door that would not stay latched even when locked, sun roof trim that kept falling on me as I drove, inside wall trim that was loose, and finally a drawer under my referigerator that bashed a large hole in the cabinet that was around my stove.)

I contacted the manufacture's (Fleetwood) customer satisfaction person, and they fixed everything. Luckily, Decatur was on my way when i was headed west, so it was not too inconvenient.

So, you might try contacting the manufacturer and explain your problems. Good luck, in any case.
 
{sarcasm} -> Camping World is our favorite place to stop... but only when Walmart is out of toilet paper.
LOL!

I would not even buy toilet paper from Camping World. In my opinion they are the perfect poster child for incompetency and dishonesty.
 
Sorry to hear about the troubles.

I hope they refunded you any charges for completing the registration. Hold them to their warranty...it's why you bought new.
 
To help cheer you up...The CEO of Camping World with an extra $50K in his pocket is unhappy too.

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I bombarded his email after getting no response to ubsubscribing to junk mail.
Try it, you never know?
 
Just a thought. If you have cause to believe the RV was that way when you bought it (That the torn wires were not road damage on the way home) Contact the DMV in the state you purchased it.
Camping world does have an obligation to make sure it's safe.. they are a licensed vehicle dealer. and when the weight of the letters of complaint exceeds the weight of the investigator he will get up and investigate... (That last bit is a joke based on an Aircraft design joke when the weight of the paperwork exceeds the weight of the air frame it'll fly).
 
I bombarded his email after getting no response to ubsubscribing to junk mail.
Try it, you never know?
I had a car dealership start sending me texts a robo calls for everything from weekly specials, happy birthday, etc. Repeated "unsubscribe" messages didn't help. Finally filed a complaint of harassment with the Better Business Bureau and copied a few neighboring dealerships. Issue was resolved shortly thereafter
 

No customer should have to fork out $50000 for a new camper to sit in his drive for two months of the summer unable to use it.


SUPERIOR PRODUCTS AND COMPLETELY SATISFIED OWNERS



We live on Cape Cod, Massachusetts and we began 2023 with a desire to replace our ageing 2011 Gulf Stream Visa trailer with a larger more spacious unit, but on our first trip to a local dealer we discovered that our Kia Sedona minivan was maxed out @ 3500lbs and before we could move up we needed to get some serious towing muscle so in February we traded the minivan for a GMC Yukon Denali with a capacity of 8700lbs. We spent a lot of time looking at trailer options online and honing out our wish list but with the cost of the above we were not really expecting to buy until next year.

In June we hitched up our Gulf Stream and travelled to Pennsylvania and Ohio (to see “Moses” in Lancaster and “Rory Feek” in concert in Walnut Creek).

Just before our exit in Akron we passed Campers World and decided it would be nice to saunter in and look at some of the new models. We discovered the Keystone Bullet 253RDS and were smitten, it had everything on our wish-list and the sweetener - we were offered $1500 more on our trade than we could get at home.



NOW WHAT COULD GO WRONG?



We picked up our new trailer and drove home 700 miles to Cape Cod with just a 4-hour layover in a Walmart parking lot.

The next day, at home, we discovered the refrigerator was not working, frustrated we were calling, texting and emailing the salesman and not getting much help. Almost by accident I discovered something hanging down under the slide-out, seeing what looked like a shredded garden hose I put my hand up to check it out and saw a spark, it was then that I saw a mass of bare shredded wires and realized I could have been electrocuted. I had absolutely no idea up until this point that campers that have electrical appliances (fridge or stove) in the slide-out have the electrical wiring harnesses to the appliances located outside underneath the slide-out. This is an ignorant design considering the sort of money that we owners fork out for these rigs. As I said this discovery is new to me (since then I have found it to be a notorious problem with a myriad of posts from owners on the internet, enough you would think for the manufacturers to want to do something about the problem).

We talked to the salesman in Akron who said he would talk to his contact at Keystone to see how this could happen. There was absolutely no follow through on this, we spent more than a week calling and texting trying to contact the salesman for an update and to try and find out what they intended to do to rectify our situation.

Two and a half weeks after we arrived home, the service department in Akron told us we should contact the local Campers World nearest to us so that they could send a technician out to assess the problem (note it was we who had to do the calling to solve their problem – what happened to the principle of service?). We called Campers World in Berkley, Massachusetts but they do not have a mobile technician and referred us to Campers World in Uxbridge, Massachusetts and they set up an appointment for August 1. The day arrived but no technician came so we called Campers World in Uxbridge again, only to discover the secretary who made the appointment had been fired and they had no record of our appointment. Campers World Uxbridge made a new appointment for August 9, the technician came and was able to repair the wiring so that the refrigerator now works but they need warranty approval for a replacement wiring harness carrier, we cannot use or move the camper until such time as that is fixed. Another 9 days went by before Camping World, Uxbridge confirmed the warranty had been approved and they were ordering the replacement part but could not say how long Keystone will take to provide it.

When we purchased the camper, because we were out-of-State the dealer said they would use a Third-Party to do the registration, it would take about three weeks, but a month later we received a call from the Service Manager at Campers World, Akron to say the registration documentation was sitting on their desk all this time, it had never gone to the Third-Party and now they thought it best to courier the documents to us direct and we could take it to our local registry, so now I had to go and que (standing) for 3 hours to do the registration that we paid them to do.

This whole process has been quite an education for us, I am only beginning to learn of some of the horrendous problems other owners have suffered. The RV Industry is truly in a mess, customer service is not something to be talked about in sales waffle on the company’s website, it is something to be practiced and when it is done right it is worth as much as your best, longest serving employee. If Keystone practiced customer service our camper would have been picked up the day after we got home and either repaired or replaced by the end of June. No customer should have to fork out $50000 for a new camper to sit in his drive for two months of the summer unable to use it.
As unsavory as Camper's World's reputation is, had you bought from an independent dealer you'd really be screwed. Unlike a car dealership where the service dept. actually makes money, an RV dealer's service dept is largely a money losing or at best break even proposition they have to tolerate as an undesirable part of doing business. An independent dealer in your area would likely tell you it's not their problem and I can't say as I'd blame them, they're under no obligation to the mfg'er ( unlike a car dealership) to service what they don't sell. His obligation is to his customers and he's not likely going to make someone who bought from him wait while he does a favor for someone who skipped over him to buy from a competitor 700 miles away.
 
RV dealers service department loses money? They charge like $125 per hour and pay the mechanics $20 per hour. How can they be losing money?
 
I had a lot of problems with my dealer (Not Camping World) refusing to fix things on my brand-new motorhome because they claimed I broke them!! (Door that would not stay latched even when locked, sun roof trim that kept falling on me as I drove, inside wall trim that was loose, and finally a drawer under my referigerator that bashed a large hole in the cabinet that was around my stove.)

I contacted the manufacture's (Fleetwood) customer satisfaction person, and they fixed everything. Luckily, Decatur was on my way when i was headed west, so it was not too inconvenient.

So, you might try contacting the manufacturer and explain your problems. Good luck, in any case.
I agree, contact the manufacturer and get them involved.
 
RV dealers service department loses money? They charge like $125 per hour and pay the mechanics $20 per hour. How can they be losing money?
There's more involved in operating an RV service dept. than paying someone $20.00 an hour while charging $125.00 an hour. For one, no self respecting RV tech is working for $3.00 more an hour than a high school kid can make gathering shopping carts at a Sam's Club.
 
Maybe I'm just a simpleton here but I don't see the cause for all this stress and anger. A simple look at the underside of the trailer before hooking up and you would've seen the problem before driving it 700 miles home. I look under my trailers every time just to see that nothing is hanging or dragging. Aside from that you very easily could fix the wiring yourself if you wanted to use it. Aside from a crappy situation with a fired employee camping world is working with you to get this resolved. Everyone thinks their problem should be addressed right now and part stuck in the mail yesterday but sorry life doesn't work that way.
 
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