Interesting comparison between off roading in an EV truck compared to gas trucks.

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Interesting, thanks for posting. I was going to buy a Tesla but my Veloster runs like a Swiss watch and it is paid for. So the Tesla is off my radar but I am still scanning traffic when I am out and about and I keep track of how many Teslas I see. before this year I was lucky to see one a month. Now for the past year it has been raining Teslas. I see five or six on every outing and half of them are white.
 

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Interesting, thanks for posting. I was going to buy a Tesla but my Veloster runs like a Swiss watch and it is paid for. So the Tesla is off my radar but I am still scanning traffic when I am out and about and I keep track of how many Teslas I see. before this year I was lucky to see one a month. Now for the past year it has been raining Teslas. I see five or six on every outing and half of them are white.
Those velosters are sweet looking and they are pretty quick. I love two door coupes. One of our neighbours has one. His Veloster and our Tesla are definitely the cleanest cars in town. :). I think he washes it and vacuums it as much we wash our Tesla. Lol. :).

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Those velosters are sweet looking and they are pretty quick. I love two door coupes. One of our neighbours has one. His Veloster and our Tesla are definitely the cleanest cars in town. :). I think he washes it and vacuums it as much we wash our Tesla. Lol. :).

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There is no two door Velosters. They are all three doors. There is only one back door on the passengers side plus the normal two front doors. I can only imagine how quick the Veloster Turbo is. Mine is not the turbo but it gets fabulous gas mileage. I would be shut down by the ice cream truck.
 

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Motor Trend being a "shill" magazine notwithstanding, it makes total sense that electric motors offer a more controlled power delivery system.

It would take some real world head to head competition before I would commit to EV off road. Also I suspect 99% of "off roaders" love playing with all the various 4WD settings on their panels while they motor from their condo to their drive through starbucks.
 

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There is no two door Velosters. They are all three doors. There is only one back door on the passengers side plus the normal two front doors. I can only imagine how quick the Veloster Turbo is. Mine is not the turbo but it gets fabulous gas mileage. I would be shut down by the ice cream truck.
Wow. I didn’t know that about the doors. I have to look at the neighbours now.

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It is difficult to see the back door, it is pretty discreet. It is fun to see the guys in the car wash figure it out. See the door handle is built into the window trim.View attachment 149115
Okay. Now I see it. Dam that’s clever. Good looking little car. My father in law swears by Hyundai. His has treated him well.
 

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I can almost call this car perfect. I have owned it for six years and have not spent over $100 on repairs.
Nice. Our lees was like that. Had it for a little over years. Nothing but washer fluid and one software update/recall thing.

So far the Tesla has been perfect but we have only had it 21 months. Just washer fluid and probably a tire rotation coming up in the spring. Not even an oil change. :). The car has actually changed quite a bit though and lots of new features. I think it has had 18 over the air software updates since we got it. Kinda cool.

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The problem with doing serious off-roading in an electric vehicle is the size and placement of the "fuel tank". Usually the battery pack spans the full distance between the front and rear axles, making it more likely to high center and more subject to twisting forces than the smaller dimension fuel tank in ICE vehicles. More expensive to repair, too.
 

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The problem with doing serious off-roading in an electric vehicle is the size and placement of the "fuel tank". Usually the battery pack spans the full distance between the front and rear axles, making it more likely to high center and more subject to twisting forces than the smaller dimension fuel tank in ICE vehicles. More expensive to repair, too.
Thats an interesting observation. I have done very little serious off roading and am always the passenger. Are you talking rock climbing type off roading or forestry road to the mountain lake type off roading?
 

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I was going to buy a Tesla
I own a 2018 Tesla M3, AWD, LR. I also own a 2022 Chevy Bolt, perhaps I was the last one in the USA to buy a new one before the big recall was announced a few hours later and then could no longer be sold.

The two EVs do not compare well. But for most stuff, I like the Chevy Bolt better, I can say that is the most enjoyable car to drive I have ever owned.

The main difference is the way the regen works in the Bolt. Has a level on the steering wheel that will give max regen and come to a complete stop with no brakes applied. And the brake works better too. Progressive regen with more brake pressure. I doubt if the 4 disk brakes are ever engages except in an emergency stop.

The Teslas add NO regen when braking and only has two selections for deceleration regen, "Standard" and "Low". "Standard" is way too much regen, IMO, except in stop & go city driving and that is the only time I put it on "Standard".

I also like the blind spot warnings in the mirrors in the Bolt better than having to look at the screen in the Tesla. Teslas would be better if they could remove the mirrors, so I would know to never use them. It's a habit to use mirrors but not necessary to use in the Tesla, in fact, can be dangerous to use compared to the screen. The screen shows everything needed. A motorcycle in my blind spot will show clearly as a motorcycle being there on my Tesla screen that cannot be seen at all in the mirror. But the Chevy Bolt will show a warning right on the mirror itself telling me to not switch lanes. Just won't tell me what is there, but that we have no real need to know.

The only thing I like better in the Tesla is the navigation system. In my new RV as well as in my Bolt, I must use "Android Auto" which is somewhat difficult to set up and requires a Smartphone to be attached. And is picky on what phone will work. But works as well as the Tesla when all connected up, use with voice and all.

When I was charging my electric motorcycle yesterday at the Donner Summit Rest Area, I had a BS session with a guy who owned the VW ID.4 EV. It's now available with AWD, just as with Tesla. Seems to have all the features of my Bolt as well, such as how the Regen works, where Tesla is seriously lacking, IMO.

And I hear the newer Tesla models even removed the mild setting for regen, the setting I use the most.

-Don- Auburn, CA
 

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I own a 2018 Tesla M3, AWD, LR. I also own a 2022 Chevy Bolt, perhaps I was the last one in the USA to buy a new one before the big recall was announced a few hours later and then could no longer be sold.

The two EVs do not compare well. But for most stuff, I like the Chevy Bolt better, I can say that is the most enjoyable car to drive I have ever owned.

The main difference is the way the regen works in the Bolt. Has a level on the steering wheel that will give max regen and come to a complete stop with no brakes applied. And the brake works better too. Progressive regen with more brake pressure. I doubt if the 4 disk brakes are ever engages except in an emergency stop.

The Teslas add NO regen when braking and only has two selections for deceleration regen, "Standard" and "Low". "Standard" is way too much regen, IMO, except in stop & go city driving and that is the only time I put it on "Standard".

I also like the blind spot warnings in the mirrors in the Bolt better than having to look at the screen in the Tesla. Teslas would be better if they could remove the mirrors, so I would know to never use them. It's a habit to use mirrors but not necessary to use in the Tesla, in fact, can be dangerous to use compared to the screen. The screen shows everything needed. A motorcycle in my blind spot will show clearly as a motorcycle being there on my Tesla screen that cannot be seen at all in the mirror. But the Chevy Bolt will show a warning right on the mirror itself telling me to not switch lanes. Just won't tell me what is there, but that we have no real need to know.

The only thing I like better in the Tesla is the navigation system. In my new RV as well as in my Bolt, I must use "Android Auto" which is somewhat difficult to set up and requires a Smartphone to be attached. And is picky on what phone will work. But works as well as the Tesla when all connected up, use with voice and all.

When I was charging my electric motorcycle yesterday at the Donner Summit Rest Area, I had a BS session with a guy who owned the VW ID.4 EV. It's now available with AWD, just as with Tesla. Seems to have all the features of my Bolt as well, such as how the Regen works, where Tesla is seriously lacking, IMO.

And I hear the newer Tesla models even removed the mild setting for regen, the setting I use the most.

-Don- Auburn, CA

I think you are right on the regen. But we always had ours set for max anyway. Different strokes for different folks etc. I prefer high regen and then feather with the go pedal. Ours does come to a full stop on regen only though. Not sure if that is a setting you may not have selected. I haven’t paid attention to that. Gotta say I go days at a time without touching our brake pedal. Leaf is the same way.

I also like the bolt and really my only critique of the ride is the body roll. Line you say though, different car and no where near the power but part of that is the front wheel drive. Even if it had more power I think it would just break the front free. We actually drove the EUV. Good and very useable cargo space etc. So so sound system but that’s a price point thing.

Overall, a solid little car. GM announced they have resolved the fire issue and new batteries are coming. It will be expensive for LG I’m sure. The only other thing I would pick out is the atrociously slow charge rate. But the reality it’s fine for most people and the occasional road trip. I’m trying to convince our neighbour to take one for a test drive. She rarely goes further than a couple hundred kilometres. It would be a great fit.
 

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I think you are right on the regen. But we always had ours set for max anyway. Different strokes for different folks etc. I prefer high regen and then feather with the go pedal. Ours does come to a full stop on regen only though. Not sure if that is a setting you may not have selected. I haven’t paid attention to that. Gotta say I go days at a time without touching our brake pedal. Leaf is the same way.

I also like the bolt and really my only critique of the ride is the body roll. Line you say though, different car and no where near the power but part of that is the front wheel drive. Even if it had more power I think it would just break the front free. We actually drove the EUV. Good and very useable cargo space etc. So so sound system but that’s a price point thing.

Overall, a solid little car. GM announced they have resolved the fire issue and new batteries are coming. It will be expensive for LG I’m sure. The only other thing I would pick out is the atrociously slow charge rate. But the reality it’s fine for most people and the occasional road trip. I’m trying to convince our neighbour to take one for a test drive. She rarely goes further than a couple hundred kilometres. It would be a great fit.
Yes, I realize the "standard" regen on the Tesla is so much that more is not needed with the brake. I also realize you can put regen to max and then make it as weak as you want with a VERY touchy pedal. The same goes for "Sport" and "Eco" mode of my electric motorcycles. All the selections do is to limit us. But to me, I like the feel of things not being so touchy. I often use "eco" mode on my motorcycles as well, when in city traffic. But I never tried the "chill" mode for the Tesla acceleration as I have no problem with that as is in standard mode.

Even the way they want us to charge the Bolt is no issue to me. I have yet to charge it above 85% SOC or let it get below 100 miles range left. After I get the new battery pack, it will not make any difference to the way I have been charging.

Yes, Tesla has MUCH more power than I will ever want. Perhaps ten times as much. The two motors of the AWD gives quite a bit of power. The Bolt perhaps only has three times as much power as I would ever want to use. I think it's really toque that we feel. But I can scare almost any passenger in either car by going too fast uphill. No need for more in either car.

Ours does come to a full stop on regen only though.
I have the "one pedal driving" selected in the Tesla, perhaps it would work better if I put the regen back to "standard". The Bolt does it MUCH better, IMO.

I wonder if Tesla can add a few regen settings with an update . . .but for whatever reason, they seem to be going in the opposite direction in the newer Teslas, from what I have heard.

But they cannot add that regen lever control the Bolt has with a FW update.

Yesterday afternoon and this morning, I drove my Tesla a bit when in Auburn ( I only went there for a day). Now, I keep on reaching for that lever that does NOT exist in the Tesla!

-Don- Reno, NV
 
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Viajeros

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I think BMW does the lever thing as well. Sounds kinda cool.

For what it’s worth I have heard a couple of other people express the desire for the previous regen settings that the M3 used to have. If enough people do it eventually Tesla will probably re-enable them.

Anyway, glad to hear your By is getting a new batt. Great little car.

Stay safe on the road.
 
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