Leveling jacks & backup camera on class C???

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Hello all!!! :) We are new to the site and new to the new age of RV's. Had an older Winnebago Chief years ago and really enjoy it!! Older now and the wife and I are buying an '04 Minnie Winnie. It's a 29' class C with dual pop outs. We are looking into input as far as having leveling jacks and or a backup camera installed on our new resort. Are they needed or not, in the eyes of those that have this type of rig? Worth the money or not? Looking too do allot on the coast and are wondering if the jacks would help with the wind/gusts that occur.

Thanks in advance for any and all input,

J&C
 
I could not live without my backup camera as I travel alone.  If I did not have it, I would end up getting out and in too many times while parking.

As far as leveling jacks go, I do not have them.  Once in a great while, I will put one or two wheels up on a block if the site is terribly unlevel, but usually don't bother because most sites, even in state parks are level enough.

Also, I have been parked in campsites within half a mile to 50 feet of the ocean here in Florida.  I admit that there is some very slight rocking occasionally in my Class C due to wind, but not enough to need stabilization from jacks.  I suppose if you are very sensitive to motion sickness, you might want leveling jacks for that. 
 
I have been full timing the last ten years. I don't have either leveling jacks or a backup camera. I have not found a use for either item. I did have both items a few years ago on my girlfriends RV and ended up not using either one. I can back my RV up anywhere without issue and without anyone helping me. It is simply a matter of learning how to trust your mirrors. Occasionally I get out and take a look before backing up but most of the time I don't need to do that.

As far as leveling there really isn't a need to level. Just so long as you don't feel like you are in a fun house everything is fine. Some people claim the RV is more stable when parked with the levelers employed but I have not found that to be the case with my RVs. My RV is solid when it is parked.
 
I have leveling jacks on my class C (were already installed when I bought it) and I wouldn't go anywhere without them. :)  I often camp at COE parks where "level" is an unknown term and my old knees won't let me do much crawling around to place blocks.  It sure is easy to just hit the button(s).  As for adding jacks to an existing coach, I don't know if it would be a wise investment.  Maybe if the coach price was right or if the dealer would assist in the expense.

Edit: The leveling jacks do help a lot in stabilizing when walking around in the coach and in gusty wind.

As for a backup camera, if your coach has no rear window, maybe.  However, many (most) class Cs do have a rear window and one of those square stick-on wide angle lens works fine for me.
 
Some people tolerate a barely level coach more than others.  We had levelers installed on our last two class Cs.  Wouldn't be without them!  Think a pouring rain in an unlevel coach and you'll know why we like them.

ArdraF
 
ArdraF said:
We had levelers installed on our last two class Cs.  Wouldn't be without them! 
You might change your mind if you had to crawl under your RV with a 2x4 and pry them back up when they got stuck. That happened to me several times. I did all the obvious fixes and it still would happen occasionally so therefore I am much happier without them.
 
Tom, that actually did happen once.  We lost the lubricant and Jerry had to fix it.  BUT we still wouldn't be without them!  One problem isn't enough to say we'd never use them again.  After we had the first set installed, that night we pulled into a casino park in a pouring rain.  It was so nice to be able to push a button and have it do all the work without either of us needing to go outside.  We decided right then that levelers were the "cat's meow."  We've since "graduated" to air leveling and it's even better!  ;)

ArdraF
 
Ardra - I am not talking about Jerry crawling under, I am talking about you crawling under. And not just once, but a half a dozen times. Then report back and let me know how you feel about levelers.
 
Well, Tom, what can I say, except I didn't do the crawling to fix the leveler, but I was helping as I often do when there's a problem that needs fixing.  And, Jerry liked the levelers as much as ever even after doing all that work.  By the way, I have been under our various motorhomes as well as on the roof.  I remember sitting on the roof of one motorhome straightening the fins on an air conditioner after a branch jumped out and flattened them.  That wasn't fun either but it didn't mean we stopped using the air conditioner.  Anyway, I know I'm lucky that Jerry likes "tinkering" and "fixing" things!

ArdraF
 
Put me in the column of, "Wouldn't be without either".  :)

Have been a solo full timer for over 15 years having pulled a fifth wheel and a TT, and driven 2 Class A MH's and 1 Class C MH. So have had lotsa experience not having either, and since the pleasure of having both. Over the years have learned and designed every short cut and trick in the book on how to back up any kind of RV - be it a MH or Trailer. So can do it just fine myself, but the back up camera sure makes certain tasks a lot easier.  Plus, I am a strong advocate of a rig that is always at least level enough to protect my frig and add stability to my rig when the winds is blowing.

When driving my Class C, had reached the point of adding levelers - then decided to upgrade to a Class A. So then made sure I had levelers and a slide - though the back up camera wasn't a must at the time. But now that I've had it I would always want it if ever changing rigs again.
 
SeilerBird said:
You might change your mind if you had to crawl under your RV with a 2x4 and pry them back up when they got stuck. That happened to me several times. I did all the obvious fixes and it still would happen occasionally so therefore I am much happier without them.

As with some of our discussions, Tom - I will try to work my way through your logic - as you do through mine.  :)

This can happen - and did to me "once". I simply neglected putting support under one of my rear jacks and it was not on solid ground. Plus I had set for a month or so so the grass had grown around the sunken jack base. To make matters worse, not being aware of what had happened I tried to raise the jacks which in turn broke of one the springs. "Not" a good day for this older RVer with replaced hips and arthritic wrists.  :(

I borrowed tools and rejected any help digging it out - my dumb move, my problem to fix. I was finally able to raise it with a 2 x 2 I found - making sure I had the grain in the right direction. Once I got the number off the jack found a set of springs at The RV Doctor in Sacramento. Paid a premium as they were much less on Amazon - but would have had to wait. Was off to QZ at the time.

Anyway, my feeling is that the only time I would ever have to crawl under my RV to fix a jack would be after such a dumb move as this. If I had to crawl under 6 times, I would consider myself a slow learner. Two by's usually work, but on potentially soft ground in the rain, 4 by's will most always work. If not, I won't park there in the first place.

But after only one dumb move in about 5 years of parking and lowering jacks on all types of ground, I swear by leveling jacks that worked just fine the other hundred or so times.
 

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Bob Buchanan said:
If I had to crawl under 6 times, I would consider myself a slow learner. Two by's usually work, but on potentially soft ground in the rain, 4 by's will most always work. If not, I won't park there in the first place/
There is nothing about being a slow learner that applies. My jacks had some sort of defect and would stick in the down position on hard concrete or any other surface. No digging out of the mud or picking the wrong place to park.

I don't understand what all the discussion is about. My point is I don't like jacks because when they fail to raise properly I was stuck until I got the problem solved. And I find them totally unnecessary. If you like them fine, but quit trying to prove me wrong.
 
If you tow you really should have a camera to keep an eye on toad. The rv101 site says you need to have one and use it like a regular rearview mirror. I had mine set with backup lights to come on thru gps now am changing it to a dedicated monitor on all the time. Jack are awesome I have scissors right now and would love to get powered but $$$ and need to have kick-down version and considering weight of system. We travel with 8 people on board so weight is a BIG concern.

Seilerbird is just the most AWSOME RVer so he can do it all us mere mortals need a little help ::)
 
SeilerBird said:
There is nothing about being a slow learner that applies. My jacks had some sort of defect and would stick in the down position on hard concrete or any other surface. No digging out of the mud or picking the wrong place to park.

I don't understand what all the discussion is about. My point is I don't like jacks because when they fail to raise properly I was stuck until I got the problem solved. And I find them totally unnecessary. If you like them fine, but quit trying to prove me wrong.

I didn't write that it applied to you, Tom. I wrote:

If "I" had to crawl under 6 times, "I" would consider "myself" a slow learner. Two by's usually work, but on potentially soft ground in the rain, 4 by's will most always work. If not, "I" won't park there in the first place.

As to the problem you were experiencing, I would say that if that happened to me, I would get my jacks fixed or not use them.

As to trying to prove you wrong - though it might be my opinion that you are wrong about whatever, especially when you make statements as facts vs. your opinion, yes, I will offer my opinion as to why I think you are wrong. And feel on safe ground doing so. For example, I don't think this statement of yours is a fact as implied:

"As far as leveling there really isn't a need to level."

I totally disagree with that, and stated my reasoning recently in a different topic. Though it is true that it is my opinion you are wrong, that's not trying to prove you wrong, just stating why I disagree with you. However, if stating my opinion in turn proves you wrong, so be it.
 
Back to the OP. Since you're buying used and the coach doesn't already have leveling jacks and a backup camera on it, why not wait until you've used it awhile and see what you think? If you decide you really need one or the other or both, then spend the money to add them.

Wendy
 
Conquest aka Robert said:
If you tow you really should have a camera to keep an eye on toad. The rv101 site says you need to have one and use it like a regular rearview mirror. I had mine set with backup lights to come on thru gps now am changing it to a dedicated monitor on all the time. Jack are awesome I have scissors right now and would love to get powered but $$$ and need to have kick-down version and considering weight of system. We travel with 8 people on board so weight is a BIG concern.

Seilerbird is just the most AWSOME RVer so he can do it all us mere mortals need a little help ::)
With having cameras and spotters.

I forgot to complete my sentence and offened Seilerbird. I have IMed him to explain but thought I should fix it here also. SORRY for any confusion my smart alec caused.
 
Well, I'll go back and reiterate my desire/need for levelers.  If one camps mostly at fairly nice level paved campsites, perhaps levelers would not be worth the expense.  However, we tend to camp in state parks and COE parks where a level campsite means you may not need to tie a safety line to your waist to walk along side the RV.  Well, maybe not that bad, but many sites are not paved and require some method of leveling to be comfortable...and I don't like crawling around on my knees on rocks placing leveling blocks...in the rain.
 
I am another that likes and uses them, and would be a ya or na if purchasing a coach. My coach had manual stabilizers when i bought it. I found a wrecked coach about 100 miles from me with the same chassis, and bought the HWH system. My son-in-law and I went to remove them and we had an ice storm that day. We like to froze getting the system off, laying on the ground. It was a bear crawling around getting them off, BUT well worth it to me. To the OP, if you can afford them go for it.
 
Thanks everyone!!! Well, the financing is done now so we will see what happens. We see from the responses that they both are pretty much a 50/50 deal. We have decided to play with our new baby the way she sits and see what happens. If we feel we need them later, we will just add the then. We can't wait for her to come home. Thanks again to EVERYONES responses.
 
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