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[DonTom]

Apparently you don't know many servers.

Are you saying they are allowed to keep it, or are you only saying they get away with it?

-Don- Why, AZ

 

[TheBar]

Are you saying they are allowed to keep it, or are you only saying they get away with it?

-Don- Why, AZ

Having come from a restaurant background I believe tip pooling is theft. I help them "get away with it" as much as possible. When they bring the check I have a folded $10 or $20 ready in hand to secretly exchange for the check. Most know how to hand it off and slip the bill into their pocket. Once the server gets to know you your food will arrive quicker and you will get excellent service.

 

[TheBar]

My point is that the tips have nothing to do with getting good or poor service.

-Don- Gunsight Wash, AZ

DonTom, you are welcome to join the real world at any time. Life is better here.

 

[TheBar]

The side of that I don't like is having to create and manage literally dozens of online accounts, with many of those requiring automatic bill pay in place. So what used to be check writing sessions are now online sessions dorking with 2FA, sifting through unique statements and keeping tabs on what gets paid and when. At least with a check there aren't multiple points of access to my account. This construct of 'linked accounts' works great, until it doesn't.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM

I've been doing this for 20 years and I can't quite picture the dozens of accounts you are creating. I'm only creating one online account one time for water, sewer, trash, electric, natural gas, cell phone, and the 2 credit cards.

2 credit cards = 2 statements. Pay with 2 credit cards and there are only 2 points of access to your account instead of dozens.

Every check you write has your bank routing # and your account #. Write a check at Walmart and multiple people from the cashier up has your bank info, Use a credit card at Walmart and nobody even sees your credit card number much less your bank account number.

I've had my credit card numbers get stolen several times over the past 40 years. I've never had to pay for what was bought illegally. Not true if a check gets forged.

I don't have to juggle what gets paid when. Many let you choose what day your bill comes due. Being retired my SS and pensions are monthly so it really doesn't matter what gets paid when. Unless you frequently get down to a zero balance during the month.

I even get all my bills by email now instead of paper. Much easier on my old eyes plus I can conduct all my business on a large screen TV using a wireless mouse and keyboard while sitting in my recliner. This is the life of Riley.

 

[TheBar]

I'm even writing this from my recliner. This is the life of Riley.

 

[bigbAZ]

As long as the thread is drifted I'll add my .02. About 20 years ago a business banker advised me to open a separate, deposit only account to keep most of my working capital and transfer from that account what you need to cover your debits in your checking account. At the time I had both contracting business income and rental income. I still have the rental income and in a couple weeks here I will start my Social Security so this just adds a layer of protection for my money.

The bank requires a certain minimum balance and a certain number of transfers each month to remain fee free, and they can also charge if you transfer too much. This has never been a problem as you really only need to transfer a couple times a month which keeps the minimum satisfied and is well below the maximum.

I also have an instant text notification along with an email any time there is a transaction on my CC with the card not present.

 

[DonTom]

DonTom, you are welcome to join the real world at any time.

Some people will tip based on the service they receive, as not everybody understands that in most cases it is shared with the others. But then you are also tipping those who have nothing to do with your service, including the waitresses that stand around BSing all day ignoring their customers.

Are you saying this is usually not true?


-Don- Why, AZ

 

[TheBar]

Some people will tip based on the service they receive, as not everybody understands that in most cases it is shared with the others. But then you are also tipping those who have nothing to do with your service, including the waitresses that stand around BSing all day ignoring their customers.

Are you saying this is usually not true?

-Don- Why, AZ

First, I question your belief that the majority of restaurants have tip pooling. For example, in California, it is illegal for restaurant owners to share or keep employees’ tips. Tip pooling varies widely so you can't make blanket statements.

In states even where tip pooling is illegal it is common for a waitress to tip their bartender if customers order mixed drinks. Or tip a busboy to clear their tables so they don't have to do it. That may be where you get the idea that tip pooling is so common. But that is voluntary tip pooling not forced.

But I believe most restaurant owners have the common sense to not force their wait staff to surrender the majority of their tips.

If you share tips you'll have "waitresses that stand around BSing all day ignoring their customers."

Pavlov's dogs. Reward a wait person with a tip for good service and they will give increasingly good service. It's why share and share alike doesn't work. Real world Don-Tom.

 

[DonTom]

. For example, in California, it is illegal for restaurant owners to share or keep employees’ tips.

How long did that law exist? The reason I ask is around 15 years ago, I knew of a Chinese restaurant whose owner kept all the tips from his employees. It was located in Freemont, CA (east bay area).

Anyway, I realize it varies greatly. I made an assumption that they were mostly pooled as the few I heard about have been that way. I assume NV is mostly pooled.

Let me check:

Yes, tip pooling is common and legally permitted in Nevada, especially in the hospitality and restaurant industries, including Las Vegas casinos and hotels.

Key points about tip pooling in Nevada:

• Employers may establish mandatory tip pools as long as they do not keep any of the tips for themselves.
• Only employees who customarily and regularly receive tips (e.g., servers, bartenders, cocktail staff, bussers) may participate.
• Managers, supervisors, and owners are prohibited from participating in tip pools, even if they perform tipped duties.
• The pool must be distributed fairly among eligible employees, often based on hours worked or job role.
• While some establishments may allow pooling across front-of-house staff (e.g., servers sharing with bartenders), back-of-house workers like cooks or dishwashers are typically excluded.
• Nevada law does not allow employers to take a tip credit toward minimum wage, so all employees must be paid the full $12.00/hour minimum wage, regardless of tips.