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Gary RV_Wizard

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The CARB regulations going into effect in CA and 6 other CARB-compliant states prohibit the sale of new diesel pusher coaches. Freightliner & Newmar have already announced they will not be selling new diesel vehicle there any longer.

The CARB rule applies to all vehicles over 8500 lbs GVWR so technically gas powered vans & pickup are affected too, but Ford has enough EV-credits to offset some amount of medium & heavy truck/chassis sales. Newmar has a few gas models they will be able to sell in the CARB states.

This ought to be good for used DP prices in those states!

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BREAKING: New California emission rule halts diesel motorhome sales in 6 states

Looking to buy a new diesel motorhome? If you live in one of six states, you may find you can’t. A new air quality regulation issued in California has effecti
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Gary RV_Wizard said:
The CARB rule applies to all vehicles over 8500 lbs GVWR so technically gas powered vans & pickup are affected too, but Ford has enough EV-credits to offset some amount of medium & heavy truck/chassis sales. Newmar has a few gas models they will be able to sell in the CARB states.
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Wasn't aware of the 8,500 lbs limit; The CA CARB site says over 14,000 lbs:
It is a regulation to test heavy-duty vehicles’ emissions control systems for proper operation. Clean Truck Check applies to nearly all diesel and alternative fuel heavy-duty vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) over 14,000 pounds that operate on California public roads.

We had to submit info online, then they sent us a letter letting us know our DP falls under the umbrella of needing to pay dues and be tested.

Gary RV_Wizard said:
This ought to be good for used DP prices in those states!
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Hopefully you're right. We'll soon be selling our Monaco DP.
 
Meanwhile, diesels are becoming more and more efficient and clean burning. Europe is eating them up.

There is a new piston design available that may revolutionize both diesels and gas engines, its called Speed of Air and improves the combustion in diesels and gas engines considerably. Its not hocus pocus, its real and does work, and its stupid simple, but each engines combustion chamber design must be analyzed on a fluid dynamics computer program to determine the exact piston design for it.

Beginning about 16:00 he begins to discuss the physics of it.


Charles
 
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Viajeros said:
I suspect this kind of thing will hasten hydrogen and Electric Vehicle R and D in the heavy sector.

It won’t break my heart to see motorhomes and heavy trucks without a tail pipe.
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Yep and even if you dismiss the global warming issue, it's not like we will have large scale fossil fuel availability forever either.
 
rvlifer said:
The reduction in pm air pollution and affect on peoples health should be enough to convince us to migrate off of fossil fuels
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Yah. For me it’s more about air quality, lung irritants, asthma in kids etc than global warming.

Jmho.
 
Viajeros said:
Yah. For me it’s more about air quality, lung irritants, asthma in kids etc than global warming.

Jmho.
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I recall reading somewhere that China has discovered as they increased the "green" stuff, it was paying for itself with the reduced health costs.

While they still have a long way to go to get all their air pollution problems fixed, what they have done has helped a lot with the health issues.

-Don- Tucson, AZ
 
I had read before about the testing requirements, and those don’t seem to have changed since the last time I looked. If the rule about no diesels being sold is in there, I can’t find it.
 
I don't have a dog in the fight but what I don't understand is Freightliner not going to be able to meet the requirements for their truck market too? Something seems a little off in the RVTravel article.
 
RRR said:
I don't have a dog in the fight but what I don't understand is Freightliner not going to be able to meet the requirements for their truck market too? Something seems a little off in the RVTravel article.
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Dunno. Freightliner Custom Chassis Corp is a separate company from Freightliner Trucks (though they share some technology). And of curse the engine is Cummins regardless. Apparently FCCC won't be meeting the CARB requirements as of 1/1/2025. Doesn't mean they don't ever intend to do so. And I didn't research what the big truck companies are doing. You might Google that yourself and let others know.
 
A man who represented himself as a California Air Board supervisor began a thread on irv2.com with the latest rules and explained the major changes. Basically bullet #5 still applies:

Truck & Bus Regulation Basics & Exemptions | TruckStop | California Air Resources Board

Diesel trucks and buses with a gross vehicle weight rating(GVWR) that are greater than 14,000 pounds (lbs), must reduce exhaust emissions by meeting particulate matter (PM) filter requirements and upgrading to a 2010 or newer engine model year (EMY).
ww2.arb.ca.gov ww2.arb.ca.gov
Please note paragraph 2:

The Regulation does not apply to:​

 
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Ray-IN said:
The Regulation does not apply to:
  • Personal use motor homes or recreational vehicles
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That's definitely not what it said in the CARB letter I received after registering online and paying my dues. Now I'm really confused by the quoted exception :unsure:
 
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