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Ray-IN said:
A man who represented himself as a California Air Board supervisor began a thread on irv2.com with the latest rules and explained the major changes. Basically bullet #5 still applies:

Truck & Bus Regulation Basics & Exemptions | TruckStop | California Air Resources Board

Diesel trucks and buses with a gross vehicle weight rating(GVWR) that are greater than 14,000 pounds (lbs), must reduce exhaust emissions by meeting particulate matter (PM) filter requirements and upgrading to a 2010 or newer engine model year (EMY).
ww2.arb.ca.gov ww2.arb.ca.gov
Please note paragraph 2:

The Regulation does not apply to:​

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The first paragraph on this page says it applies to having to replace pre-2010 diesel engines with post-2010 engines incorporating diesel particulate filters. Nothing at all to do with the proposed 2035 ban on new diesel motorhomes.
 
Ray-IN said:
The Regulation does not apply to:
  • Personal use motor homes or recreational vehicles
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The CARB (California Air Resources Board) site says:​

Annual Testing: California Motorhomes and Agricultural Vehicles​

California registered motor homes (including recreational and emergency use motor homes), and vehicles that meet the requirements to be designated as agricultural vehicles, are only required to submit to emissions compliance testing once annually. You can find when your emissions compliance testing deadlines are here Agricultural Vehicles & California Motorhomes Annual Compliance Requirements. Emissions compliance testing deadlines will align with the vehicle's DMV registration expiration date.

I logged into their database and confirmed that, in addition to me having paid the 2024 fee, our DP motorhome requires testing by the registration renewal date 3/26/25. To make us compliant for 2024, and apparently to be consistent with the quoted paragraph above, their system had a 'Vehicle Compliance Certification' issued 9/30/2024.
 
rvlifer said:
The reduction in pm air pollution and affect on peoples health should be enough to convince us to migrate off of fossil fuels
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I think it's a good idea, but that time is probably twenty years away.
alternative technologies are still immature.
 
Here is Newmar's letter to their dealers on the subject of new diesel-chassis motorhomes in CARB-compliant states:

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www.irv2.com

And the RVIA statement on it as well:
www.rvia.org

California’s “Ban” On Motorhomes: What You Need To Know

In 2025, California's Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) regulation, aimed at promoting zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs), will create a near-total “ban” on motorhome sales in the state, as well as in additional states that follow the California Air Resource Board (CARB) regulations...
www.rvia.org www.rvia.org

The key issue is that beginning in 2025 a percentage of each chassis builder's diesel vehicles must meet Zero Emissions standards. No manufacturer of diesel chassis for motorhomes can do that at this time, nor do they have carbon-credits available to offset the requirement. Gas motorhome chassis builder, i.e. Ford, does have carbon credits from their EV car sales, so gas chassis motorhomes will be able to qualify, at least in 2025. It also seems doubtful that class B & C (van chassis) coaches using RAM Promaster chassis will be able to qualify either, but I see no information on that from Stellantis.
 
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We have no plans to buy (another) new motorhome (DP or gas). So, our only issue is passing the semi-annual CARB test for as long as we keep our DP.

FWIW gas motorhomes have required smog testing for many years (our bought-new 1985 Pace Arrow gas MH had to pass periodic smog tests), but I believe that test is different from the new "opacity" test (required for DPs over 14,000 lbs).
 
Tom said:

The CARB (California Air Resources Board) site says:​

Annual Testing: California Motorhomes and Agricultural Vehicles​

California registered motor homes (including recreational and emergency use motor homes), and vehicles that meet the requirements to be designated as agricultural vehicles, are only required to submit to emissions compliance testing once annually. You can find when your emissions compliance testing deadlines are here Agricultural Vehicles & California Motorhomes Annual Compliance Requirements. Emissions compliance testing deadlines will align with the vehicle's DMV registration expiration date.

I logged into their database and confirmed that, in addition to me having paid the 2024 fee, our DP motorhome requires testing by the registration renewal date 3/26/25. To make us compliant for 2024, and apparently to be consistent with the quoted paragraph above, their system had a 'Vehicle Compliance Certification' issued 9/30/2024.
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This is what I referenced:Truck & Bus Regulation Basics & Exemptions | California Air Resources Board
 
Lou Schneider said:
The first paragraph on this page says it applies to having to replace pre-2010 diesel engines with post-2010 engines incorporating diesel particulate filters. Nothing at all to do with the proposed 2035 ban on new diesel motorhomes.
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Yup, commercial; note the 2nd paragraph-last bullet.

Tom; note the 3rd section stating:
"The Truck & Bus Regulation also does not apply to the following vehicles, but these vehicle types may need to report in the Excluded Diesel Vehicle Reporting (EDVR) system to avoid DMV registration denial:__"
 
Ray-IN said:
Tom; note the 3rd section stating:
"The Truck & Bus Regulation also does not apply to the following vehicles, but these vehicle types may need to report in the Excluded Diesel Vehicle Reporting (EDVR) system to avoid DMV registration denial:__"
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Yes, I'll be reading the related stuff. I'm now not sure if I was required to go down the route I took, and don't know if I can get it reversed :unsure:
 
Yep, here we go now "Trading Carbon Credits" so who can do what. To me, it is insanity, especially with CARB being an appointed board swayed by politics, not elected by the residents of the state. Yet these unelected bureaucrats set policies, aka laws, that affect over 30 million people (and falling) with no oversight or recall.

Selling and trading carbon credits reminds me of the water boards that regulate fresh water in the Western States. But it seems California is the King, and NY state the Queen of this chaos.

Since the introduction of DEF with diesel engines essentially what comes out of the tailpipe of a modern diesel vehicle is water vapor.

I do agree with the statement that insane actions like this will quicken the pace of development of hydrogen-powered vehicles, especially for the heavy vehicle sector.
 
Have no problem with zero emissions. But until we get comparable technology to move to, this will not work. Electric heavy vehicles will not work. Hydrogen power should but not perfected yet. The carb credits is BS from the beginning. Oh, BTW, those factories making all these batteries for electric vehicles cause more pollution than the average factory. These solar panels going up everywhere, are not recycleable from what I have read. I saw switch when it’s available to do the same thing it’s replacing.
 
Bearcatrp said:
Have no problem with zero emissions. But until we get comparable technology to move to, this will not work. Electric heavy vehicles will not work. Hydrogen power should but not perfected yet. The carb credits is BS from the beginning. Oh, BTW, those factories making all these batteries for electric vehicles cause more pollution than the average factory. These solar panels going up everywhere, are not recycleable from what I have read. I saw switch when it’s available to do the same thing it’s replacing.
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Solar Panel Recycling: How Does It Work?

As solar panels reach the end of their lifetime, it is important to understand the effects of solar panel waste, and the recycling process.
www.energysage.com www.energysage.com
 
Adventurous Traveler said:
Yep, here we go now "Trading Carbon Credits" so who can do what. To me, it is insanity, especially with CARB being an appointed board swayed by politics, not elected by the residents of the state. Yet these unelected bureaucrats set policies, aka laws, that affect over 30 million people (and falling) with no oversight or recall.

Selling and trading carbon credits reminds me of the water boards that regulate fresh water in the Western States. But it seems California is the King, and NY state the Queen of this chaos.

Since the introduction of DEF with diesel engines essentially what comes out of the tailpipe of a modern diesel vehicle is water vapor.

I do agree with the statement that insane actions like this will quicken the pace of development of hydrogen-powered vehicles, especially for the heavy vehicle sector.
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I checked and as I suspected NY is not in the West.
 
Bearcatrp said:
Have no problem with zero emissions. But until we get comparable technology to move to, this will not work. Electric heavy vehicles will not work. Hydrogen power should but not perfected yet. The carb credits is BS from the beginning. Oh, BTW, those factories making all these batteries for electric vehicles cause more pollution than the average factory. These solar panels going up everywhere, are not recycleable from what I have read. I saw switch when it’s available to do the same thing it’s replacing.
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Were you to calculate the carbon footprint of the manufacture, distribution, use and disposal of an EV battery/vehicle vs the same for an ICE vehicle I suspect the EV wins that contest everytime. Otherwise, if we let perfect be the enemy of the good nothing will ever get done.
 
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