Oil filters

[DonTom]

I was just now reading this, and I wish it would say the opposite, which brands of oil filters to buy instead of which to not buy.

And I wonder how many here agree with it.

I have been using Motorcraft oil filters in my 2022 Class A and large K&N in my Y2k RV as well as in many of my ICE motorcycles. Both of those are listed as junk oil filters in the above link. But when new, my 2022 Class A came with a Motorcraft oil filter. I would think if they were giving problems, Ford would not be using them on their new RVs that come with a warranty.

What do other here think about oil filter brands?

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Boat Bum]

I always used Napa Gold for my boat, I would have no problem using the like for my motorhome.

 

[Arch Hoagland]

I do my own oil changes.

I go to the local Chevrolet dealer for my AC Delco PF454 oil filter on my 8.1 engine and the Toyota dealer for my two Lexus car filters.

Saw a video years ago about counterfeit oil filters so I figured the dealer wouldn't have counterfeits.

 

[Onyrlef]

I was just now reading this, and I wish it would say the opposite, which brands of oil filters to buy instead of which to not buy.

And I wonder how many here agree with it.

I have been using Motorcraft oil filters in my 2022 Class A and large K&N in my Y2k RV as well as in many of my ICE motorcycles. Both of those are listed as junk oil filters in the above link. But when new, my 2022 Class A came with a Motorcraft oil filter. I would think if they were giving problems, Ford would not be using them on their new RVs that come with a warranty.

What do other here think about oil filter brands?

-Don- Reno, NV

It's extremely likely the brands labled as junk are coincidentally the one's that refused to pay a promotional fee.

 

[DonTom]

Saw a video years ago about counterfeit oil filters

Is there a way to tell the difference between the counterfeits and the real thing? And is it possible for the counterfeits to be better quality than the real thing?

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Arch Hoagland]

Is there a way to tell the difference between the counterfeits and the real thing? And is it possible for the counterfeits to be better quality than the real thing?

-Don- Reno, NV

Couldn't tell you. I just figure the dealer will have the real thing as they have to warranty what they do.

 

[DonTom]

I do my own oil changes.

Same here, but I rarely go to the dealers for anything. But I now wonder if I should. But Motorcraft is on that list. I doubt if they are counterfeit, but I assume it is possible, and the MSN people didn't know the ones that gave problems are fakes.

BTW, Fram is on everybody's list for being a junky oil filter, but I read the Fram Tough Guards were well built but that is rarely mentioned. The PH (their cheapest oil filter) as well as the Extra-Guard (their most expensive oil filter) are junky. The TG (in the middle) is supposed to be a good oil filter. That was according to an engineer who took them all apart and posted all the info. on the web many years ago. That website no longer exists.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Mark_K5LXP]

Pretty much just a clickbait article. No data or references. That's not to say that some aren't better than others or a particular brand had a QC failure but generally they all do what they say they do. I use generic napa oil and filters though pretty much any I find as I need one checks the box. My lesson after decades of vehicle ownership with several making it to the moon is that oil and filter brands are secondary to consistent changes. Generally too most people don't keep a car long enough for any subtle formulation differences to manifest and even if you did, you got a quarter million miles or more so not much to complain about. Every car I've junked was not due to lubrication failure.

Totally unrelated, I have a buddy that swore putting a magnet on the oil filter was a key factor in reducing contaminants. Funny how there's one in the transmission pan and sometimes the differential but you rarely see magnetic drain plugs on engines anymore. So as a test I put one on my 8.1 vortec filter this past spring and I cut the filter open after I changed the oil last fall, ~4K miles. There's some crud visible from the process of cutting it but there is definitely some steel dust there. No idea of particle size but being on the housing side of the element, it's not filtered. So whether the element would catch it on the way through is another question but if nothing else it's a data point of what is cruising through the filter.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM

 

[DonTom]

No data or references.

It says the article was written by Philip Uwaoma:

"Philip Uwaoma is an experienced automotive journalist currently writing for The Bearded Bunch. Since transitioning to automotive journalism in 2022, he has become a recognized voice in the industry, covering everything from electric vehicles to classic muscle cars. Before zeroing into automobiles, Philip built a diverse portfolio covering agriculture, business, entrepreneurship, technology, travel destinations, and product reviews. Philip also founded Cars and Horsepower, a website dedicated to sharing insights and news about the world of automobiles."

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Gary RV_Wizard]

That sort of article is 99% gossip, largely click bait as somebody already said. It simply repeats internet rumors or memes, making no attempt to validate or disprove. It doesn't even explain the rumors - just states there are some.

 

[Onyrlef]

It says the article was written by Philip Uwaoma:

"Philip Uwaoma is an experienced automotive journalist currently writing for The Bearded Bunch. Since transitioning to automotive journalism in 2022, he has become a recognized voice in the industry, covering everything from electric vehicles to classic muscle cars. Before zeroing into automobiles, Philip built a diverse portfolio covering agriculture, business, entrepreneurship, technology, travel destinations, and product reviews. Philip also founded Cars and Horsepower, a website dedicated to sharing insights and news about the world of automobiles."

-Don- Reno, NV

Well now this is different, why didn't you say he wrote for "The Bearded Bunch" since way back in 2022?

 

[DonTom]

Well now this is different, why didn't you say he wrote for "The Bearded Bunch" since way back in 2022?

There should be no need for me to repeat what was already stated above the article. The name, which anybody can search just as easily as I did. Took all of ten seconds.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Utclmjmpr]

I have been using WIX for several hundred years and never doubted the quality,, will continue..>>>Dan

 

[Onyrlef]

There should be no need for me to repeat what was already stated above the article. The name, which anybody can search just as easily as I did. Took all of ten seconds.

-Don- Reno, NV

First you have to care

 

[DonTom]

First you have to care

Yep, and you care enough to be reading this thread.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[Gr8bawana]

Pretty much just a clickbait article. No data or references. That's not to say that some aren't better than others or a particular brand had a QC failure but generally they all do what they say they do. I use generic napa oil and filters though pretty much any I find as I need one checks the box. My lesson after decades of vehicle ownership with several making it to the moon is that oil and filter brands are secondary to consistent changes. Generally too most people don't keep a car long enough for any subtle formulation differences to manifest and even if you did, you got a quarter million miles or more so not much to complain about. Every car I've junked was not due to lubrication failure.

Totally unrelated, I have a buddy that swore putting a magnet on the oil filter was a key factor in reducing contaminants. Funny how there's one in the transmission pan and sometimes the differential but you rarely see magnetic drain plugs on engines anymore. So as a test I put one on my 8.1 vortec filter this past spring and I cut the filter open after I changed the oil last fall, ~4K miles. There's some crud visible from the process of cutting it but there is definitely some steel dust there. No idea of particle size but being on the housing side of the element, it's not filtered. So whether the element would catch it on the way through is another question but if nothing else it's a data point of what is cruising through the filter.

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Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM

Did you ever cut a filter open that DID NOT have a magnet on it? Would there still have been some "crud" there? Curious.

Also I completely agree with you on the bazillions of cars out there, I would guess that almost none of them will ever have a failure due to lubrication or oil filter failure.

On the subject of "junk" oil filters. My 1997 RAM 1500 that has 304K + miles I have always used the cheapo orange Fram oil filter. You would think the engine would have self destructed long ago according to the internet myths.

 

[Mr Lars]

I’ve had GM’s, Fords, Chryslers, and even a Honda over the decades, used all sort’s different manufacturers of oil filters, never had an ‘oil filter’ engine failure yet. I generally will purchase WIX, Puralator, or Baldwin depending if one is on sale. For our Class A, with the 460(Ford) I get the Motorcraft.

 

[Onyrlef]

I’ve had GM’s, Fords, Chryslers, and even a Honda over the decades, used all sort’s different manufacturers of oil filters, never had an ‘oil filter’ engine failure yet. I generally will purchase WIX, Puralator, or Baldwin depending if one is on sale. For our Class A, with the 460(Ford) I get the Motorcraft.

Follow the money. First you have to hire a " journalist" to write an article alerting consumers to the danger of using one of those other oil filters.

 

[rvlifer]

Follow the money. First you have to hire a " journalist" to write an article alerting consumers to the danger of using one of those other oil filters.

So there arent any legitimate, objective consumer advocate groups or reporters that report these things?

Damn that fake news. It ruins everything.

 

[Onyrlef]

So there arent any legitimate, objective consumer advocate groups or reporters that report these things?

Damn that fake news. It ruins everything.

"I only use brand X oil filters, 'cause a guy who writes articles on the internet says they're the best". "..... "I just can't figure out how he gets paid though, he must do it only because he cares".