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I am not sure what you mean "except with maybe a very wide runway to angle across"?

I have landed a C152 in 30 knot winds. The tower even questioned if I could.
If the runway is wide enough you can touch down near one edge with the nose pointed such that you can roll across to the other edge at an angle to slightly reduce the cross component. Don described that above.

As to C-152 in 30 kts crosswind component, wow! I didn't think there was wing clearance or rudder enough to do that. I've landed Cessnas in 40+ kt winds, but they weren't much over 45-50º off of the runway heading. Of course I needed a wing walker to taxi to the tiedowns.
 
C-152 in 30 kts crosswind component, wow!
I never considered that landing any different form all the practice or actual crosswind landings. Perhaps due to my ignorance I did not question my ability so just landed. The information you have provided explains the tower's concern about my crosswind landing ability. Once I was down the tower requested I visit them. I was not aware I had done anything special but make a successful crosswind landing.

I did not consider myself anything special but my instructor said my handling of a plane was above average. Maybe his opinion was correct - who knows.
 
I did not consider myself anything special but my instructor said my handling of a plane was above average.
From what you've said above I'd have to agree with your CFI, well above normal, because I've seen too few pilots with the skill to even attempt that landing.

Perhaps due to my ignorance I did not question my ability so just landed.
Not ignorance, except maybe about other folks' skill levels, but you obviously had to have been very well taught -- not all instructors can teach their students that well, either.
 
Thank you Larry. I was thinking something like landing a Cessna 172 in 30 knots or greater wind crossing runway at 90º.

I was thinking more the recreational pilot in the Cessna 172 + range planes. The large commercial size planes and pilots are in a league of their own but if someone here flew them crosswind info. would interesting.

I do recognize the wider & longer a runway is more comfortable when side slip in crosswind & crab just before landing. "crosswind gear," is new to me.

Side slip has other uses besides staying over runway in crosswind, such as reducing altitude quickly.
Most smaller general aviation aircraft, like Cessna 170’s have a crosswind rating of around 15 knots. Sure you can do more, but that is where pilot experience really comes into play. A lot of us fly just for the fun of it, but why take a chance when we know we are exceeding the limits of the aircraft and put ourself (and others) into a dangerous situation we can avoid. Find another airport if you have to where you can land head on in a strong wind.
 
that yoke thing is a misnomer of sorts. The yoke as I understand it is behind or under the panel.... not the part held by the pilot... it splits the control mechanism for use on either side.
Makes more sense here
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and in this diagram they call the part you hold a wheel.
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I'm a private pilot and always learned that the wheel is called a yoke...and still use that term..mostly I suppose becasue everyone else calls it that.
 
that yoke thing is a misnomer of sorts. The yoke as I understand it is behind or under the panel
While I don't doubt that what you show is truly called a yoke, those "wheel" pieces are still almost universally called a yoke in my 40 plus years as a pilot before I quit flying. You have a yoke or you have a stick (side- or not).
 
While I don't doubt that what you show is truly called a yoke, those "wheel" pieces are still almost universally called a yoke in my 40 plus years as a pilot before I quit flying. You have a yoke or you have a stick (side- or not).
yeah, me too. I always knew it to be a yoke...and called it a yoke.

An example of how incorrect things can become common knowledge
and also how language evolves and definitions change over time....
and also how we often think we know but we don't.

technically speaking, as I now understand it...all those times we wanted to pitch down, what we would do is push on the wheel to move the yoke forward, etc... or you could say we pushed the yoke... but the handle we're holding is a wheel...

Just guessing, but I'd guess that some aircraft with wheels are designed without a yoke. All depends I suppose on how the wheel is connected to the control surfaces.
 
yeah, me too. I always knew it to be a yoke...and called it a yoke.

An example of how incorrect things can become common knowledge
and also how language evolves and definitions change over time....
and also how we often think we know but we don't.

technically speaking, as I now understand it...all those times we wanted to pitch down, what we would do is push on the wheel to move the yoke forward, etc... or you could say we pushed the yoke... but the handle we're holding is a wheel...

Just guessing, but I'd guess that some aircraft with wheels are designed without a yoke. All depends I suppose on how the wheel is connected to the control surfaces.
Here's an interesting look at a Cessna setup. Notice that what you're calling a yoke they're calling a "Y" column:


Addendum:
I've also seen this labeled as a "yoke assembly"and I've seen the "wheels" labeled control wheels, never steering, as aside from the fact that they don't steer in the automotive sense, that "steering" label would be a problem in flight training, causing what we call "negative transferrence," meaning that if students (and some others, as well) thought of it as a steering wheel, they'd likely try to steer like a car, which doesn't work. It's sometimes tough enough to get a student to avoid that auto steering treatment as it is, without a bad label to help confuse them more.

So yes, there are variations in the terminology which, of course, isn't limited to aviation- other fields sometimes have a similar problem with terminology.
 
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Here's an interesting look at a Cessna setup. Notice that what you're calling a yoke they're calling a "Y" column:


Addendum:
I've also seen this labeled as a "yoke assembly"and I've seen the "wheels" labeled control wheels, never steering, as aside from the fact that they don't steer in the automotive sense, that "steering" label would be a problem in flight training, causing what we call "negative transferrence," meaning that if students (and some others, as well) thought of it as a steering wheel, they'd likely try to steer like a car, which doesn't work. It's sometimes tough enough to get a student to avoid that auto steering treatment as it is, without a bad label to help confuse them more.

So yes, there are variations in the terminology which, of course, isn't limited to aviation- other fields sometimes have a similar problem with terminology.
love it!

to be clear, it's not me calling that thing the Yoke, it's Cessna's exploded view diagram. Presumably the engineering group that designed the thing!
 
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