The EVs with the best range.

[DonTom]

IMO, if they are going to brag about range, they should also mention the charging KW DCFC capacity. Charge speed Makes a larger difference in getting across the country than does range these days, in most cases. Range is normally only needed for great distances between charge stations. Go twice the distance and the charge will take twice as long at the same charge rate. Only means longer breaks to have more range in perhaps most cases.

For an example, a road charge on my Chevy Bolt (55 KW DC charging) can take five times as long as my Tesla (250 KW DC charging). Thats a big difference on a long trip for those who don't want to wait a long time for a charge.

Anyway, here are the best ranges of EVs.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[old RV guy]

They show the Chevy truck towing a trailer with a backhoe on it. I wonder how far it will go towing its rated 12,500 lbs with an 1800 lb payload?

 

[Derby6]

They show the Chevy truck towing a trailer with a backhoe on it. I wonder how far it will go towing its rated 12,500 lbs with an 1800 lb payload?

100 miles. Lol

 

[DonTom]

100 miles. Lol

492 miles is its non-towing range. If it only gets a third of that towing something heavy, that will 164 miles which will probably be close to a few hours of driving and time for a break for most people.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[old RV guy]

492 miles is its non-towing range. If it only gets a third of that towing something heavy, that will 164 miles which will probably be close to a few hours of driving and time for a break for most people.

-Don- Reno, NV

It's not going to go 164 miles at hwy speeds and every 1.5 to 2 hrs..you'll have to find a place to drop the trailer, spend x number of hrs at a charger then hook up again, only to do it all again in 1.5-2 hrs.

 

[DonTom]

spend x number of hrs at a charger

It has a 173 KWH (useable) battery. It can charge at 350 KW (even faster than Tesla Superchargers <250KW max>). So make that less than one hour even under less than perfect conditions.

.you'll have to find a place to drop the trailer,

If so, a little exercise won't hurt you! But they are now designing some charge station where you won't need to disconnect.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[ex-member]

Folks on the Facebook groups are reporting 200 Miles easy with typical half ton sized airstreams. A 300 to 400 mile day is a single lunch time charge. Meh.

 

[DonTom]

Folks on the Facebook groups are reporting 200 Miles easy with typical half ton sized airstreams. A 300 to 400 mile day is a single lunch time charge. Meh.

Yeah, I knew my guestimate of 164 miles was on the low side, which makes it more difficult to debate. But Onyrlef did anyway! And I was assuming 62 MPH (100 km) as they usually spec EV 4-wheel range. They like to spec 2-wheel electric motorcycles mostly at city range because they drop range more at faster speeds because of the poorer aerodynamics of motorcycles. But I ignore all range claims, just tell me the useable KWH capacity of the battery and I will be close enough on any vehicle. ~7 miles (11.3KM) per KWH on the average on motorcycles, ~3.5 (5.6KM) miles per KWH on cars.

Less as the weight goes up. ~0.6 miles (1KM) per KWH on the Tesla Semi, half loaded.

Close to half the time it will be better than above, and the other half will be worse. For normal everyday driving.

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[old RV guy]

It has a 173 KWH (useable) battery. It can charge at 350 KW (even faster than Tesla Superchargers <250KW max>). So make that less than one hour even under less than perfect conditions.


If so, a little exercise won't hurt you! But they are now designing some charge station where you won't need to disconnect.

-Don- Reno, NV

When the EV cult get on a gaslighting run it can be entertaining.

 

[old RV guy]

Yeah, I knew my guestimate of 164 miles was on the low side, which makes it more difficult to debate. But Onyrlef did anyway! And I was assuming 62 MPH (100 km) as they usually spec EV 4-wheel range. They like to spec 2-wheel electric motorcycles mostly at city range because they drop range more at faster speeds because of the poorer aerodynamics of motorcycles. But I ignore all range claims, just tell me the useable KWH capacity of the battery and I will be close enough on any vehicle. ~7 miles (11.3KM) per KWH on the average on motorcycles, ~3.5 (5.6KM) miles per KWH on cars.

Less as the weight goes up. ~0.6 miles (1KM) per KWH on the Tesla Semi, half loaded.

Close to half the time it will be better than above, and the other half will be worse. For normal everyday driving.

-Don- Reno, NV

Nice try, but your nonsensical estimate of 164 miles was for it's rated 12,500 lb towing capacity with an 1800 lb. payload at hwy speeds. Not a small airstream trailer at 62 mph. Context matters even when gaslighting.

 

[old RV guy]

Folks on the Facebook groups are reporting 200 Miles easy with typical half ton sized airstreams. A 300 to 400 mile day is a single lunch time charge. Meh.

Ever seen a half ton size airstream that weighs 12,500 lbs? We're talking the vehicles towing range with it's advertised max towing capacity and max payload..Not what facebook groupies are chatting about.
I imagine it will tow some things further than others, but that's not at issue.

 

[ex-member]

Nice try, but your nonsensical estimate of 164 miles was for it's rated 12,500 lb towing capacity with an 1800 lb. payload at hwy speeds. Not a small airstream trailer at 62 mph. Context matters even when gaslighting.

It’s probably different there. But around here it would be unusual to pull even a 9000 pound trailer with a half ton here. Most people get 3/4 tons for that kind of thing.

Most of the trailers pulled by half tons here are 22 to 27 feet. Probably bigger in the prairies. Really not sure. National and provincial parks are not well suited to anything over 25 feet really. Perfect size for a half ton.

I’m sure it’s different other places.

 

[old RV guy]

It’s probably different there. But around here it would be unusual to pull even a 9000 pound trailer with a half ton here. Most people get 3/4 tons for that kind of thing.

Most of the trailers pulled by half tons here are 22 to 27 feet. Probably bigger in the prairies. Really not sure. National and provincial parks are not well suited to anything over 25 feet really. Perfect size for a half ton.

I’m sure it’s different other places.

So? The question was what's its range towing its ballyhooed max, which is 12,500 with max payload of 1800

 

[DonTom]

Ever seen a half ton size airstream that weighs 12,500 lbs?

I have no idea what they weight because I don't tow anything. But what will wight 12.5 K lbs that you would want to tow for more than a few feet or so?

-Don- Reno, NV

 

[old RV guy]

I have no idea what they weight because I don't tow anything. But what will wight 12.5 K lbs that you would want to tow for more than a few feet or so?

-Don- Reno, NV

You yell me, I didn't write the promo.

 

[ex-member]

So? The question was what's its range towing its ballyhooed max, which is 12,500 with max payload of 1800

No idea. But real world they are fine for towing trailers normally towed by half tons. At least around here. People like them. The local dealer sells a lot of them. I’m sure they’ll be popular in the campgrounds this summer.

I like the styling of the F150 Lightning better but it’s not as capable as the Chevy for sure. Decent interior though.

Just a guess but the Chevy would probably pull out little 18 footer 250 miles plus. Who knows.

 

[old RV guy]

No idea. But real world they are fine for towing trailers normally towed by half tons. At least around here. People like them. The local dealer sells a lot of them. I’m sure they’ll be popular in the campgrounds this summer.

I like the styling of the F150 Lightning better but it’s not as capable as the Chevy for sure. Decent interior though.

Just a guess but the Chevy would probably pull out little 18 footer 250 miles plus. Who knows.

What's the range when your Tesla car is towing the 18' trailer?
Meantime, if I want excellent range an EV truck might make sense, if I want excellent range while doing what trucks do, towing, an EV truck makes no sense. Especially one that costs $100k.
To borrow from Margeret Thatcher "The problem for the EV lite truck experiment will be, eventually you run out of idiots"

 

[ex-member]

What's the range when your Tesla car is towing the 18' trailer?
Meantime, if I want excellent range an EV truck might make sense, if I want excellent range while doing what trucks do, towing, an EV truck makes no sense. Especially one that costs $100k.
To borrow from Margeret Thatcher "The problem for the EV lite truck experiment will be, eventually you run out of idiots"

Our tesla has a relatively small battery and is not ideal for towing. It’s okay for those of us who travel a couple or three hours to the next interesting location. Hike the hikes. See the sites for a few days then rinse and repeat. On days we travel we typically go anywhere from 50 to 300 kilometers. And then hang out for a few more days and do the tourist thing. We are on the road typically 80 to 100 days a year. Maybe 12000 ish kilometres. Good fit for us. Half our charging is in campgrounds if on serviced sites.

For planning purposes we use 200 kilometres as our max range but it can vary depending on conditions. I think our longest day on the road was when we were being chased out of mesquite Arizona by the heat last Summer. We made a run for Napa on the coast. Day and a half of very hot weather. 45 C. That was 650 miles or so. Not a fan of long days in the car. Probably missed some interesting things along the way but too hot.

Hope that helps.

 

[old RV guy]

Our tesla has a relatively small battery and is not ideal for towing. It’s okay for those of us who travel a couple or three hours to the next interesting location. Hike the hikes. See the sites for a few days then rinse and repeat. On days we travel we typically go anywhere from 50 to 300 kilometers. And then hang out for a few more days and do the tourist thing. We are on the road typically 80 to 100 days a year. Maybe 12000 ish kilometres. Good fit for us. Half our charging is in campgrounds if on serviced sites.

For planning purposes we use 200 kilometres as our max range but it can vary depending on conditions. I think our longest day on the road was when we were being chased out of mesquite Arizona by the heat last Summer. We made a run for Napa on the coast. Day and a half of very hot weather. 45 C. That was 650 miles or so. Not a fan of long days in the car. Probably missed some interesting things along the way but too hot.

Hope that helps.

I think that's reasonable a Tesla car isn't designed or purposed as a towing vehicle and I doubt the brochure for it makes a big deal of it's max towing capacity and max payload. What's unreasonable is making a big deal of a vehicles max tow rating and max payload and then being evasive about it's range when those become a factor. There's a difference in an ICE truck sacrificing 25-30% of it's ordinary range when towing a heavy load and an EV truck sacrificing 70-80%. Laughable gaslighting nonsense like getting more exercise hitching and unhitching, or meeting new friends at charging stations, notwithstanding.

 

[DonTom]

There's a difference in an ICE truck sacrificing 25-30% of it's ordinary range when towing a heavy load and an EV truck sacrificing 70-80%.

Yes, but which do you think will perform better in the hills at the equal weight? EVs have no gears to shift. That is because of the exceptional torque. Even the Tesla Semi has no gears to shift. No need, even when loaded to max at any speed, including when in the hills.

It is very common for me to see large diesel trucks that can only do around 30 MPH uphill near Donnor Summit. You're not going to have that issue with an EV truck carrying the equal weight. They will speed by the diesels.

Much like an ICE engine, get less range if you're getting better performance. And the EV will give much better performance. With that comes more consumption.

IOW, the difference is the diesel will give less reduction in range at the cost of performance. The EV will give better performance at the cost of range.

-Don- Reno, NV