Think i mighta found "the one"...want some opinions...

[dzg]

I posted another thread looking for general info....and boy did i get it lol.

Anyways, on yalls advice me and the wife went up to the camper show they had in detroit this weekend and looked at a bunch of travel trailers and found one we both really liked....however it was pretty out of our price range.

HOWEVER....

She found this on RVtrader and im gonna go check it out on monday most likely...

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2020-Keystone+Rv-Premier+Ultra+Lite+29RKPR-5034969200#sid=143660

Its well within budget, has a pretty similar floorplan to the one we seen at the show. It is used so ill make sure to do my due dilligence on it.

What can you guys tell me if anything? Or just general opinions on it. Its a bit bigger then i personally wanted (athough roughly the size/weight of our old salem) but i like everything else i can tell through the pics anyways.

Input?

 

[Dan_Frisbie]

It looks like a decent rig to me. If the floorplan hits all your needs and wants, go for it!

 

[Onyrlef]

Is it 30 or 50 amp? if 30 it likely has only the one 15k btu a/c and at 29' it may struggle @ or above 90°F., especially w/ kids or grandkids in and out all day.

 

[workinonit]

Yea, no AC units shown in those pics. I do see a vent that may be for adding an AC unit. Could be prepped for it.

 

[dzg]

Is it 30 or 50 amp? if 30 it likely has only the one 15k btu a/c and at 29' it may struggle @ or above 90°F., especially w/ kids or grandkids in and out all day.

Noted. I think my old one had a 15k and it was 27 feet. But ill keep that in mind.

Yea, no AC units shown in those pics. I do see a vent that may be for adding an AC unit. Could be prepped for it.

I thought an AC unit was pretty much a standard on anything remotely modern?

 

[Onyrlef]

Noted. I think my old one had a 15k and it was 27 feet. But ill keep that in mind.


I thought an AC unit was pretty much a standard on anything remotely modern?

It would be nigh on unthinkable for it not to have at least one a/c. In a 29', likely a 15k unit or two 13.5 k.

 

[SpencerPJ]

I like the large window on campside. I prefer a table there, but dislike kitchens on that wall.

 

[Gary RV_Wizard]

Here's a summary of the features and equipment for that model. The one you are looking at likely has some differences, but this should help you with what you are seeing. The standard equipment is one a/c and 30A power but 50A and a second a/c are options.

And here's another one for sale, but much higher $. You might wonder why the difference.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2020-Keystone-Premier+29RKPR-5030220477#sid=993175

 

[Onyrlef]

Here's a summary of the features and equipment for that model. The one you are looking at likely has some differences, but this should help you with what you are seeing. The standard equipment is one a/c and 30A power but 50A and a second a/c are options.

And here's another one for sale, but much higher $. You might wonder why the difference.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2020-Keystone-Premier+29RKPR-5030220477#sid=993175

50 amp is not really an option on a 2020, the toothpaste is out of that barn, and to add a rooftop a/c to a 30 amp you'd need to either reconfigure to 50 amp or add a power management (load shedding) system.
That's some asking price difference, for apparently like year and model.

 

[Lou Schneider]

50 amp is not really an option on a 2020, the toothpaste is out of that barn, and to add a rooftop a/c to a 30 amp you'd need to either reconfigure to 50 amp or add a power management (load shedding) system.
That's some asking price difference, for apparently like year and model.

Although the electrical capacity isn't called out in the basic features, the "Second Air Conditioning Prep" on the Options page includes 50 amp service. So trailers with one a/c are 30 amp, ones with 2 a/cs are 50 amp.

DZG - if this is important to you check the power cord and breaker box when you look at the trailer. A 50 amp trailer will have a 4 pin power plug, a thick and heavy power cord and two 50 amp main breakers in the power panel. A 30 amp trailer will have a 3 pin plug, a slimmer and lighter power cord and one 30 amp main breaker in the power panel.

 

[RayIN]

Yea, no AC units shown in those pics. I do see a vent that may be for adding an AC unit. Could be prepped for it.

The sales brochure state it comes with one 13,500btu air conditioner with standard 30a service.. IMO that's not nearly enough for a 34.5' travel trailer.

DZG_ I would insist on a 15,500 btu be installed for a second air conditioner for that price. The 50A model comes prewired for a 2nd AC unit.
Even with a 30A service there is a method of installation where you can use a 3-way switch to switch between using the 2nd AC unit OR the microwave; however you cannot use much else.

 

[rvlifer]

The sales brochure state it comes with one 13,500btu air conditioner with standard 30a service.. IMO that's not nearly enough for a 34.5' travel trailer.

DZG_ I would insist on a 15,500 btu be installed for a second air conditioner for that price. The 50A model comes prewired for a 2nd AC unit.
Even with a 30A service there is a method of installation where you can use a 3-way switch to switch between using the 2nd AC unit OR the microwave; however you cannot use much else.

Soft starts on both ac units will let you get both running on 30a but you need a lot of luck to keep them running long term.

 

[Onyrlef]

The sales brochure state it comes with one 13,500btu air conditioner with standard 30a service.. IMO that's not nearly enough for a 34.5' travel trailer.

DZG_ I would insist on a 15,500 btu be installed for a second air conditioner for that price. The 50A model comes prewired for a 2nd AC unit.
Even with a 30A service there is a method of installation where you can use a 3-way switch to switch between using the 2nd AC unit OR the microwave; however you cannot use much else.

The one in Gary's link looked to have a single 13.5k, which wouldn't come close to keeping that many cubic ft. cooled in the summer. A 15k would be iffy.

 

[dzg]

Here's a summary of the features and equipment for that model. The one you are looking at likely has some differences, but this should help you with what you are seeing. The standard equipment is one a/c and 30A power but 50A and a second a/c are options.

And here's another one for sale, but much higher $. You might wonder why the difference.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2020-Keystone-Premier+29RKPR-5030220477#sid=993175

Hmm that is weird the one im looking at is alot cheaper. I have found in general for whatever reason TT's in general seem to be cheapest in indiana compared to ohio or MI...not sure why. But not sure that explains the massive difference in price either.

As for the AC and 50amp service stuff...my old one had 30 amp. Whats the benefit to 50 besides more juice? Really all we run when we go is the AC and the TV and a few lights.

EDIT....

According to goodsam its a bit overpriced lol...

 

[Onyrlef]

Hmm that is weird the one im looking at is alot cheaper. I have found in general for whatever reason TT's in general seem to be cheapest in indiana compared to ohio or MI...not sure why. But not sure that explains the massive difference in price either.

As for the AC and 50amp service stuff...my old one had 30 amp. Whats the benefit to 50 besides more juice? Really all we run when we go is the AC and the TV and a few lights.

EDIT....

According to goodsam its a bit overpriced lol...

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30 amp is very limiting. With 50 you can add an a/c, run appliances and a/c(s) simultaneously, .....

 

[dzg]

30 amp is very limiting. With 50 you can add an a/c, run appliances and a/c(s) simultaneously, .....

Ah gotcha. Ok.

 

[Kirk]

Whats the benefit to 50 besides more juice?

The real benefit is to larger RVs. Circuit breakers are designed to carry only about 80% of the rating when continuous and the max for a short time. A 30A trailer is in reality limited to a constant load of about 25A. The 50A unit has two supplies that each have a 50A circuit breaker so in effect allow about 80A, far more than twice as much. At the same time, smaller RVs really don't need the higher capacity. We had a 20' travel trailer that had a 30A supply and the only thing that we ever experienced that limit was when trying to use the air conditioner and the microwave at the same time. In our 10+ years of traveling with it, I only remember tripping a circuit breaker 2 times. But the RV's air conditioner will be later as the RV gets larger and that is the largest load other than the microwave. Both of those draw current based on the size of the units. Air conditioners are rated in BTU's and microwaves in watts. Either can be converted to amps but watts is the easier. Watts divided by the voltage will give you the amps. For BTUs there is a conversion but the data plate in the a/c will list the amps and that is far less trouble. With our 50A motorhome we could use two air conditioners and the microwave all at the same time.

 

[dzg]

The real benefit is to larger RVs. Circuit breakers are designed to carry only about 80% of the rating when continuous and the max for a short time. A 30A trailer is in reality limited to a constant load of about 25A. The 50A unit has two supplies that each have a 50A circuit breaker so in effect allow about 80A, far more than twice as much. At the same time, smaller RVs really don't need the higher capacity. We had a 20' travel trailer that had a 30A supply and the only thing that we ever experienced that limit was when trying to use the air conditioner and the microwave at the same time. In our 10+ years of traveling with it, I only remember tripping a circuit breaker 2 times. But the RV's air conditioner will be later as the RV gets larger and that is the largest load other than the microwave. Both of those draw current based on the size of the units. Air conditioners are rated in BTU's and microwaves in watts. Either can be converted to amps but watts is the easier. Watts divided by the voltage will give you the amps. For BTUs there is a conversion but the data plate in the a/c will list the amps and that is far less trouble. With our 50A motorhome we could use two air conditioners and the microwave all at the same time.

I cant remember having an issue with my old camper on 30a. It was a 27 foot. But i also dont remember if we ran the ac and microwave togther either lol.


The only power issue i remember happening was once when it was super hot getting a brown out condition at the campground...but i think thats cause the place was packed and im sure everyone had theirs cranked.

 

[Kirk]

getting a brown out condition at the campground...

A "brown out" condition is a lower voltage to the supply side so would affect everyone. We experienced that a few times when in CA back when we were fulltime. You don't want to use the air conditioner for very long when that happens as it will cause the motor to overheat.

 

[dzg]

A "brown out" condition is a lower voltage to the supply side so would affect everyone. We experienced that a few times when in CA back when we were fulltime. You don't want to use the air conditioner for very long when that happens as it will cause the motor to overheat.

Nah i cut it off. Restarted it about 45 min later all was well.

Anyways...i just called about that camper....they sold it friday. So the search continues.