It is always best to rebalance for several reasons. Because tires never wear consistently. One emergency stop that left a skid mark is rubber that came off the tire. Missing rubber means the tire is lighter where the rubber came off. Tar off a newly resurfaced road can collect in the tread making a heavy spot. Etc.Why is that? The tires are balanced to the wheel so if you move the wheel and tire together why rebalance them?
Only on front or rear independent suspensions. The meaning of independent suspension is each wheel moves independently of the other which produces a much smoother ride. On a solid axle both wheels, springs, shocks, and axle are solidly bolted together. One wheel cannot move up or down without moving the entire axle, springs and shocks on both sides, and opposite wheel with it. All that is much heavier than one tire and wheel. Physics dictates it takes a very badly made tire with a very heavy spot to setup any bounce or vibration on that entire assembly. I have run across a couple of tires that bad in my 50 years of driving. But tires are much better quality these days. Tires now require much less or even no balancing. Tire shops that don't recommend balancing are the honest people turning down an easy profit from the uninformed. I should mention that bounce or vibrations can also come from other sources like a bent or damaged wheel like from hitting a curb or pothole. Bad u-joints or a bent or unbalanced driveshaft can also setup bad vibrations.I just found this online about symptoms of unbalanced tires:
- 1. Unusual Vibrations. Definitely, the most observable symptom of unbalanced tires is unusual vibration from your steering wheel.
- 2. Difficulty in Steering Properly.
- 3. Unequal Wearing of Tires.
- 4. Consumption of More Fuel.
- 5. Problems With Bearing and Bad Shocks.
Without trying to sound like a smart aleck you need to add to the last line where the retailer says I just added profit to my day with very little if any benefit to the customer.me - I'd like the tires balanced...
retailer - you dont need them balanced
me - its my money, balance them or lose the sale
retailer - ok
wheres the problem, you want them balanced, end of discussion
Just curious if you know the difference in nitrogen level of tires filled with "nitrogen" compared to regular compressed air.Suggest using nitrogen in the tires to keep them at a stable temp. My 2 year old tires on my 5th wheel look almost new with this stuff after 2 years. Regular air expands and retracts allot. its worth the investment.
Being in the business nobody offers them for free. They have added it to the price already and you pay for it even if you don't need it. If someone does not mind that then shop there if you want. I have had a few companies try to sell me the equipment to put nitrogen in tires. They all have the same thing in common and that is they said it is a money maker. Not one said anything about benefits to the consumer. I choose not to get the equipment because I don't think I could sell it to customers and sleep well at night. You are right everybody has their opinion but sometimes it matters what they are basing their opinion on.Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I believe in science and my personal experience. A tire loses pressure 40% slower and is less affected by temperature swings. It isn't just the nitrogen level it is also the oxygen and moisture displacement. It may not financially be worth paying for. But when tire shops and even some Costco stores offer it free there is no reason to refuse it. Some nitrogen machines fail to get the 93% level and others get close to 100%. And not all tire shops are the same. A new tire should be purged and refilled several times to get close to the proper 93% or better levels.
It's not about tow vehicle ride - it's bouncing the furnishings and contents of the travel trailer. Granted, most modern tires are "close enough" to balanced that this won't be a big deal, but if the tire is out of balance, the effect on the trailer is major. Remember, most trailer suspensions are loaded to the max and few of them are equipped with shocks either, so the vibration or bounce is transferred directly to the "house" and its contents. You may find furniture moved or even overturned and the contents of cupboards, closets and fridge in disarray (or worse). Prolonged travel that way can literally shake seams loose.With the amount of weight on your travel trailer the little bit of vibration will not transfer to your tow vehicle.
Ok then the small amount of weight needed to balance tires will not transfer enough to your trailer to harm anything. If you did not balance the tires on your vehicle it would not vibrate enough to cause any damage it would just make for an uncomfortable ride. It would not do anything to any suspension parts or any other parts. As a matter of fact the opposite will happen. Worn out vehicle parts will damage the tires and not the other way around. If you think a trailer that weighs on average 2-3 tons and sometimes lots more is going to be damaged and have seams come apart because of unbalanced tire I would have to disagree with you.It's not about tow vehicle ride - it's bouncing the furnishings and contents of the travel trailer. Granted, most modern tires are "close enough" to balanced that this won't be a big deal, but if the tire is out of balance, the effect on the trailer is major. Remember, most trailer suspensions are loaded to the max and few of them are equipped with shocks either, so the vibration or bounce is transferred directly to the "house" and its contents. You may find furniture moved or even overturned and the contents of cupboards, closets and fridge in disarray (or worse). Prolonged travel that way can literally shake seams loose.
I can follow you on most of your post but almost every drive vehicle on the road has balanced tires and parts have to be replaced. If what you say is true there would be a lot of parts stores going out of business.Well, it's backwards, in my mind, I guess. I feel that whatever it is that is causing the shaking (tire imbalance) is responsible for suspension parts and vehicle parts failing; not the other way. AND it is not about "need" it's about want and how someone feels about the balance issue. If I get my tires/wheels balanced and it makes me feel good about it and gives me confidence, then so be it - worth every peny. It's same with nitrogen - just how someone feels/believes. I'm pleased with trailer tire setup and that's what matters. I even carry a spare and the tools to do a tire change with minimum work.
agreed, but I did say I wanted it done, my reasons are my own, and yes it will be additional revenue for the retailer but again, it was my choice so not really a valid concernWithout trying to sound like a smart aleck you need to add to the last line where the retailer says I just added profit to my day with very little if any benefit to the customer.