Say, ClimberBob, are you a technical rock climber? I spent 30 years on the crags, but I was always a better sailor than a climber, if ya catch my drift. Had some good climbing friends though, those guys could send 5.13s and whatnot, with me it was more about being in primo wilderness venues, aye? My ability was limited to 5.10d or so, though I once pulled a 5.11a boulder problem, lol... however, I could outsail those climbing heroes any day of the week, drunk & blindfolded, so there was a trade-off, lol. I was also drawn to direct aid climbing, solely due to the gear used in such ascents... I loved hanging in slings high on a wall or overhang, kinda like a human spider, yeah? Those guys I mentioned were good enough to free some aid routes, lol. Meh, more power to 'em... my "hard" climbing days are over, but I'm thankful to have known & participated in the sport, and known of such radical climbers as Dan Osman, Dean Potter, Steph Davis, et al. Nowadays, my hero worship extends to wingsuit pilots, even the dead pioneers like Jeb Corliss, Dean Potter, and a few others. Bad@$$ pioneers, the lot...