given a used motorhome year ago from a friend, he bough it as a family project he never go to use it . divorce to place . storage lot kept father son idea no time . great deal for me ,I'm a mobile mechanic for almost anything that moves. 4mo. later the 454 is back to life it runs great the 87 itasca drives the 3mile from the lot to my drive way to clean . now out in the open I get a look at what I am starting with, in the lot it was parked between to large trucks, never seeing more than the side of the tires now the problem on the tag axel is a 16 in tire and wheel it was rubbing the inside of the finder well. I purchased a 19.5 tire and wheel when I went to install I realized the wheel on the mh only had 8 lugs the other wheels are 10 lugs some one changed the hub to fit the wheel. now 6mo later many hours and miles tried everything and place I know . the only luck I had was an AZ. junk yard they wanted to sell me a whole axel 875 .00 pulse shipping all I want is a drum! has any one else had this problem perplexed!!!!!! the motor home needs to move soon for a short trip please help what haven't I tryed
10 lug brake drum hub problem
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Gary RV_Wizard
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Hard to believe that a common part like a hub & drum isn't available anywhere, but with you being an experienced mechanic, I have to accept that. I'm sure you are aware that axles & wheels are not RV specific and ought to be available in other salvage yards if you can identify the axle brand and size.
Given that it has a GM 454 engine, I'm guessing a Chevrolet P30 chassis, which usually has an Eaton rear axle. However, Chevy didn't produce the tag so that is a Winnebago (Itasca brand) add-on. Many rigs have a Mor/Ryde tag, but not sure what axle they used back then. You may be able to find some clues at the Vintage Winnebago website:
https://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=9132.0
Do you have a chassis manual for the old P30? If not, get one here - it is quite comprehensive.
https://www.gmcmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/P30-Chassis-Manual.pdf
Given that it has a GM 454 engine, I'm guessing a Chevrolet P30 chassis, which usually has an Eaton rear axle. However, Chevy didn't produce the tag so that is a Winnebago (Itasca brand) add-on. Many rigs have a Mor/Ryde tag, but not sure what axle they used back then. You may be able to find some clues at the Vintage Winnebago website:
https://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=9132.0
Do you have a chassis manual for the old P30? If not, get one here - it is quite comprehensive.
https://www.gmcmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/P30-Chassis-Manual.pdf
AStravelers
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I'm confused about the details for your problem.
-- Are you saying both wheels on tag axle are 16" wheels and the remainder are 19.5" wheels? Is there some reason that you "know" that the RV wasn't built this way.
-- I would think it would be highly unusual from someone to change a hub designed for a 19.5" wheel to one for a 16" wheel. Kind of the hard way to do things.
-- I'm assuming your RV is a front engine RV, about 32'-35' long. If so the RV mfg bought a chassis with just dual rear wheels and axle and added a tag axle to support the extra weight of the RV they built to put on the chassis.
-- If this is correct, the RV may have been built with 16" wheels on the tag axle
-- I would think that the 16" wheels would be just standard truck, van or pick up truck wheels not something unique to the RV. The chassis components for RV's are pretty much standard truck items.
Where in the fender well is the 16" tire rubbing. Could you have broken suspension parts? Maybe a missing air bag or something?
More specific details would help for folks on the form providing informed responses.
whokares2
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Do you have a Fleet Pride dealer near you? If do, take the correct hub assembly to them they should be able to help you.
first the rv all wheels are meant to be 19.5 slandered, the wheel that was substituted is a slandered gm 1 ton wheel it was installed properly as a last resort to sell it to my sheriff bud he never drove it . the wheel was installed back wards to on a 8 stud trailer hub tapered roller bearings not a wet drive axel like the dually in front of it. the 16 wheel and hub don't clear the inside fender and rubbed and started to melt and burn frame and body that's why it could not have bin driven that way very far the axel stamping is not GM , its air stream its 3000 pound it is an air sty . with elec. brakes oh the rv is 40 ft bumper to bumper this is my first mh of my own work on a number of them mostly starting or electoral during the week I work for the county as a heavy duty equipment mechanic at night I have a mobile auto bis I have checked the local rv dealers , it a little older than they want to deal with a few people I met were interested and challenged the but no avail
vale I'm still looking for a needle in a hay stack
vale I'm still looking for a needle in a hay stack
Gary RV_Wizard
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Could we get some more info on this coach? Is it an Itasca Windcruiser? If so, is it the 37 footer? The Windcruiser was the only '87 model with a tag (only on the 37), as far as I know. And probably the only one heavy enough to use 19.5" wheels in the largest version. I'm really struggling with the notion that it has an Airstream axle and electric brakes. I suppose that could be made to work, but seems like a real Rube Goldberg scheme.
The 1987 Itasca brochure has precious little detail on the chassis for this thing. Maybe a call to Winnebago Customer Service would glean some details about how it was originally equipped.
https://winnebagoind.com/resources/brochure/1987/1987Itasca.pdf
The Winnie Parts Catalog shows an air suspension tag axle for the 37RQ Windstream, and a Weatherton Brake Controller. The tag axle is labeled P30 Superide, but that might be a Winnebago name for it. However, the Operator Manual describes the air spring suspension as being on the drive axle and the tag as an independent, torsion sprung, trailing arm axle with constant, preset weight load.
The spare tire is an 8x19.5 on a 19.5 x 6.75 wheel, so presumable the rest of the chassis matched that. That agrees with what you already described.
http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/1987/87icp37rq.pdf
1987 Winnebago/Itasca Operator Manual (see page 9-9 for tag axle):https://winnebagoind.com/resources/manuals/pdfs/Operator1987/87Winnebago-Itasca.pdf
There was a similar Winnebago model (the Elandon) with somewhat less standard equipment, but most of the extras were available as options.
The 1987 Itasca brochure has precious little detail on the chassis for this thing. Maybe a call to Winnebago Customer Service would glean some details about how it was originally equipped.
https://winnebagoind.com/resources/brochure/1987/1987Itasca.pdf
The Winnie Parts Catalog shows an air suspension tag axle for the 37RQ Windstream, and a Weatherton Brake Controller. The tag axle is labeled P30 Superide, but that might be a Winnebago name for it. However, the Operator Manual describes the air spring suspension as being on the drive axle and the tag as an independent, torsion sprung, trailing arm axle with constant, preset weight load.
The spare tire is an 8x19.5 on a 19.5 x 6.75 wheel, so presumable the rest of the chassis matched that. That agrees with what you already described.
http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/wincd/1987/87icp37rq.pdf
1987 Winnebago/Itasca Operator Manual (see page 9-9 for tag axle):https://winnebagoind.com/resources/manuals/pdfs/Operator1987/87Winnebago-Itasca.pdf
There was a similar Winnebago model (the Elandon) with somewhat less standard equipment, but most of the extras were available as options.
AStravelers
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Taking Gary's info, I did a search for "P30 Superide axle" and got a couple of hits whichmay help. Or at least asking questions on the website may find someone with more info.
https://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12076.0
http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.0
https://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=12076.0
http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.0
Gary RV_Wizard
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Yeap, looks like the Superide + tag came from American Carrier Systems. http://superide1.com/index.html
However, none of this solves the problem of finding a new 10 bolt hub for the tag. Maybe the fact that the Elandon 37 uses the same tag might help at a salvage yard, but he still needs to find a reasonably priced source.
However, none of this solves the problem of finding a new 10 bolt hub for the tag. Maybe the fact that the Elandon 37 uses the same tag might help at a salvage yard, but he still needs to find a reasonably priced source.
you are all a 100% right that is my m,h. today I contacted the expediter ,I was told by one of the outlets I visited sat that if this place didn't have it, it was not to be found in fl. I did call after being transferred a few times they got me with someone pretty knowable he gave me the bad news that I had already suspected the company that manufactures axels was sold and eliminated the 10 stud about 20 years ago and sold any stock out . he said that my only hope was some very old stock or salvage yard, my thought was finding one even in a yard would be rough because the rarity of the option to start with . but knowing mans innovation in time of need, the person who owned this m.h. previously realized the problem , some one else out there probably did the same trick correctly that's what I have to find out . any thoughts
Gary RV_Wizard
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I'm wondering if somebody swapped the entire axle before. Not just the hubs.
19.5", 10-lug wheels are still being made and sold, so there must be something to mount them on. Maybe something that would fit your axle?
Good luck with your search! 8)
19.5", 10-lug wheels are still being made and sold, so there must be something to mount them on. Maybe something that would fit your axle?
Good luck with your search! 8)
hi ,according to the guy I talked to there is no more production of the tag axle drum, what I know about it is that it has tapered bearing setup with an electric brake set up I drought the axle has bin changed every thing under the beast is pretty original rust and all , the odometer if I'm not mistaken is under 50000 miles all the wear and tear is done by the time and heat sitting
yes it didn't seem to make a difference ,do you have a way of using or a connection for casting numbers? anyway the weekend was spent in search of salvage yard too no real success , one yard had a brake shop in front . sure as rain what do I see in the repair yard an R.V. with my exact drum I need oh well !!!!!!!! good grief!!!!! next thing we are told that the had one they wanted 1000$ pulse shipping in Ga. perplexed for now
