Any recomendations for HEALTH INSURANCE ????

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wally12

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I bailed out of my job about two and a half years ago. Cal Cobra benfits will end in a few months so I am out looking for health insurance. I am 60 and my wife is a few year younger so we have a few years to go before the feds provide any help. We reside in Calif and plan to keep a perminent residence there.Just wondering what other folks in our situtation are doing ??
Thanks
Fred
 
Fred, When I first joined the State of Michigan we were covered by Atena, This was traditional insurance (NOT an HMO or PPO) I was very happy with the coverage.

You can E-mail me for my phone number

There are several other companies out there too.  State switched to Blue Cross, claiming BC-BS would save them money

I know it costs me more

I think the E-mail link works

or if it does not I'll read this thread again tomorrow

NOTE: I *MIGHT* have a financial interest in the recommendation.. I stress MIGHT, depending on where you are and a bunch of other things.  However .. I've only been covered by two companies.

 
wally12 said:
I bailed out of my job about two and a half years ago. Cal Cobra benfits will end in a few months so I am out looking for health insurance. I am 60 and my wife is a few year younger so we have a few years to go before the feds provide any help. We reside in Calif and plan to keep a perminent residence there.Just wondering what other folks in our situtation are doing ??
Thanks
Fred

Check out Kaiser Permanente, Fred. Not sure of the rates for under 65, but it may be worth it. Pound for pound and dollar for dollar, Kaiser would be hard to beat, IMO. I started Kaiser while adjunct teaching at a community college in Sacramento. Then when I reached 65 I became a member of their Senior Advantage package. I love the fact that my primary care physician calls the shots as far as treatment and referrals. They check you out, turn to the computer in every room and set everything up on the spot. And if you don't like a PC physician you pick another, no questions asked.

The only down side is that they are not in all states - and you must go to a Kaiser facility for treatment unless it's an emergency. However, I have had two such happenings while traveling out of state and they covered me 100% - other than my copay on hospital overnight. Actually, the only reason I keep my CA residency is because of Kaiser - and the alternatives otherwise.
 
Buddy Tott said:
Bob

Is your Kaiser coverage through P.E.R.S. ,  Teachers union or an individual policy?   Thanks.

BT

It's now an individual policy, Buddy. I stopped teaching because the SW I develop requires travel. While with American River College in Sacto, Kaiser was one of the HMO's available. But there didn't seem to be a link to the school district when I stopped teaching -- as Kaiser just continued my coverage. And when I reached 65 that coverage was switched to their Senior Advantage.

In that program, Kaiser administers Medicare. Several of the individual bills from one of my out of state hospital stays were sent to me by mistake. One was for about $550 by the ER doctor on duty that night. Kaiser then took over and informed them that Medicare only authorizes $145 (or close to that amount) for that type of service -- so they responded to me, "Oh, we were not aware that Kaiser administers Medicare -- so we will just write the rest of it off". On all of the other bills that were properly sent to Kaiser, I was sent a copy informing me of the portion that was paid on each -- and that I was "not" responsible for any remaining balance. Makes one realize how out of control Health costs have become.  :(
 
I will second Bob's comments on Kaiser.  I am retired City of LA and am still covered by the retirement system and am under the Kaiser Medicare policy.  The care is very good, especially from the  preventative side, tho it can be bureaucratic as hell -- red tape still beats five figure billings.  On caveat tho.  Enrollment is limited to certain zip codes.  If your home address is in one those codes you are in.  Not in one, or move out later and you are out of luck.  As Bob said, with the out of area emergency care you are covered to a point. 
 
We belonged to Kaiser for about 30 years and MISS IT since moving out of their coverage area.  When with Kaiser we had several times where we had emergencies - including once in Australia and once in South Africa - for which we were reimbursed promptly and without hassle.  The pluses of Kaiser are having all your medical needs taken care of in one facility and little if any paperwork.  By contrast, we now run all over town to get x-rays, MRIs, mammograms, blood tests, and other things not provided by the doctor's office.  There also are huge amounts of paperwork.  When I had an accident in Oregon, we had to keep track of every invoice and payment to make sure the providers got paid.  One of them didn't get paid for a year because they mistakenly sent it to the wrong BC/BS region and that delayed it for months with me making phone calls every month to get it straightened out.  The pile of paperwork for that one event was about two inches thick.

After moving from Kaiser territory we went on Blue Cross/Blue Shield and it became our secondary insurance when we became of Medicare age.  We have since changed to AARP Health Options plus Medicare.  We were not pleased with the way BC/BS was cutting costs.  It eventually got to the point where every single one of our doctors dropped out of BC/BS because they increased patient rates and then decreased doctor rates to the point that it was ridiculous.  When our doctors dropped them, so did we.  I was especially disappointed in BC/BS because I worked for them many years ago when they were a quality insurer.  On the other side and to be fair, they did pay our medical needs.  It's just that they fight everything and, as mentioned previously, they did not treat our physicians fairly.  If a specialist charged $100, they'd be lucky to get $50 and it would be whittled down wherever possible.

I would advise against any HMO other than Kaiser.  At Kaiser the doctors make the treatment decisions, but I've heard many complaints about other HMOs where the bean counters make treatment decisions.  Go with some other prepaid health plan, but consider carefully.  As the saying goes, let the buyer beware.  You may not be old enough for Medicare, but you are old enough for the AARP health plan.  We've been happy with it so far.  Talk with the people in your doctors' offices and find out from them which insurers seem fair.  It varies by state and what might affect me might not affect you.

When you get to Medicare age (soon!), the general rule is that if Medicare will not pay for something, then neither will the secondary insurer.  Medicare will be your primary insurer and will pay a specified portion, with your secondary insurer picking up the remainder of whatever Medicare allows.  In other words, if your medical provider charge is $100 and Medicare approves $80 it then may pay $70 with the other $10 being picked up by the secondary.  In this example, the medical provider "eats" the other $20.  Now you know why our health care costs so much!  :eek:

ArdraF

 
Thanks all for your info.

I currently have Blue Cross HMO (through PERS) and have been reasonably satisfied with the service - not that I personally use it that much.  The missus. OTH has had several expensive surgeries (not that there are any cheap ones), and we haven't paid a dime in out-of-pocket expenses.  However, monthly premiums have escalated to over twice what I was paying four years ago.  Kaiser is an option for me at open enrolment time.  I have a facility fairly close but they don't have their own hospital.  I would have to use one which is significantly further away, should the need arise.  Kaiser premiums, for me, are slightly less than what I currently pay. Medicare programs are not an option. 

I could probably go outside of PERS and get less expensive and perhaps less inclusive coverage, but PERS does seem to be able to hold costs down to some extent.  And, the big deal...once I opt out I can no longer opt back in.  Blue Cross HMO does offer some coverage for out of area emergencies, I think,  but I hope never to find out


BT
 
From personal experence I would recommend anyone needing personal health coverage investigate the MSA or HSA program. They combine a high deductible insurance policy with a IRA. They are fully tax deductible and any unused funds can be withdrawn at age 65.  I had one for the last 7 years befor I retired and loved it.  You can use the fund to cover things normally not covered by std health insurance and you have controle of the funds.

Tony
 
I'm afraid I don't live in an area covered by Kaiser. I have had a couple of serious health iissues last yearso I am sure I will have to apply through the  HIPAA law, though at this time I really don't completely understand it. Will take a look at what AARP has to offe.r

Thanks
 
Do you guy's have any reccomendations for us "youngsters"?  ;D

I'm 42 years old and I think I'm getting hosed. I pay about 5500 a year for what I call worse case coverage. Basically, if I get hit by a bus they'll stich my head back on and not take my house, but i'm on the hook for the forst 1K every year. I had blood work done last year and it wasn't covered. It cost me an additional 600 smacks.

I'm currently with a company called Assurant.

Any help / tips?

Thanks
 
mayfair said:
Do you guy's have any reccomendations for us "youngsters"?  ;D

I'm 42 years old and I think I'm getting hosed. I pay about 5500 a year for what I call worse case coverage. Basically, if I get hit by a bus they'll stich my head back on and not take my house, but i'm on the hook for the forst 1K every year. I had blood work done last year and it wasn't covered. It cost me an additional 600 smacks.

I'm currently with a company called Assurant.

Any help / tips?

Thanks

It's going to get worse. We used Assurant last year with a 10k deductible and the premium was 9500/yr.
 
Wally12

We took an early retirement about 3 years ago and used Cobra until it ran out, then had to get our own insurance.  We also live in California. 

I looked at AARP, but it is not offered in CAlifornia, so I kept researching.  We ended up with BC-BS and pay a hefty premium for coverage; but we are covered everywhere, including out of the country.  We have a policy that is $5,000 deductable and so far it has worked out very well.  (knock on wood)  If we do have to go to the doctor, we submit our claim through the doctor and then only pay what the agreed contracted price is.  It's sad that the doctors get so much less than their billed amount; but it has really helped us keep our costs down.  I'm the one whose premium is high as I have borderline high blood pressure.  However, my husband has been the one going to the doctor....go figure!

We both are 61 so we have a few more years to pay these high premiums; but we wouldn't do without coverage.

Marsha~
 
Those of you with Kaiser this question is for you.  We have Kaiser in Portland Or. and I here wonderful things about it but am wondering what happens when you snow bird to Arizona where there are no Kaiser  facilities?  Thanks, Dave
 
tvfrfireguy said:
Those of you with Kaiser this question is for you.  We have Kaiser in Portland Or. and I here wonderful things about it but am wondering what happens when you snow bird to Arizona where there are no Kaiser  facilities?  Thanks, Dave

That will depend entirely on your plan and your Medicare status.  Make inquiry with your prospective Kaiser facility's Member Services office --- or your plan administrator if you would be in a group plan.

That said, my plan (a Medicare plan) covers me for out of area urgent/emergency care.  There are limitations so talk with the Kaiser or plan people.
 
I agree with Carl.  Generally speaking, Kaiser will cover out-of-plan emergencies, but you schedule regular appointments while you're at home.  Most of us tend to do that anyway, regardless of our plan and where we live, because we want to go to the same doctors for continuing care.  Your biggest problem might be in how long you intend to be out of their coverage area.  If it's like most of us, it's a few months or weeks here and there, so it's not a problem unless you need major care on a continuous basis.  On the other hand, if you plan to be gone and be pretty much in one state for, say, eight months, then you might be considered to be living not in your home state, but in that "other" state.  As Carl said, you need to talk with Kaiser before making any major health plan decisions.  When we belonged to Kaiser we traveled a lot and I always carried a copy of the Kaiser facility directory so we'd know where the nearest one was in case of emergency.

ArdraF
 
When we belonged to Kaiser we traveled a lot and I always carried a copy of the Kaiser facility directory so we'd know where the nearest one was in case of emergency.

In Southern Arizona, that would be either Palm Springs, CA or San Diego, CA.
 
Carl - yes, they're spread apart aren't they?  We've been out of Kaiser for a few years now, but they used to be in about 11 states.  Maybe you can provide an update?  They were in Virginia, Texas, Oregon, California, and ???

 
ArdraF said:
Carl - yes, they're spread apart aren't they?  We've been out of Kaiser for a few years now, but they used to be in about 11 states.  Maybe you can provide an update?  They were in Virginia, Texas, Oregon, California, and ???

Northern and Southern California.
Washington DC, Virginia, and Maryland.
Washington and Oregon.
Georgia.
Hawaii
Colorado Springs, Denver, and Boulder Colorado.
Ohio

No Texas.
 
Thanks, Carl.  Hawaii doesn't do us RVers much good, does it?  ;)

ArdraF
 
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