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Karl & Ally

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Kia Ora (hello) from New Zealand.

We’re planning a trip next year to the states for six months. So we are thinking it is better to buy and sell, than it is to rent. We plan to fly into Texas because we have friends there, and eventually want to end up in Canada. Any advice on buying and selling, how difficult it is to sell? Better to sell in the states, or is it possible to sell in Canada? We are looking at a class C.

Thanks so much,

Ally.
 
This very well may be cheaper than renting, though be aware you will likely take a hit on the sales tax, even in a best case situation, as well as tittle and registrations fees which can vary considerably from state to state. In my state sales/use tax on vehicle purchases is about 9%, though our registration and title fees are fairly low, which partly makes up for it, also some states may not even charge sales tax on vehicles purchased from a private seller and not through a dealership, so it is worth it to do your research. You will want to buy and sell in the same country, you don't want to deal with the US/Canada import / export complication. As to where /how to buy that is hard to say without knowing more about what you are looking for, and your time frame.

Ike

p.s. I know a New Zealander that happens to have a 17 or so year old 28 ft Class A for sale right now located in Texas, let me know if you want his contact information.
 
Hi Ike,

Amazing, thank you heaps for your advice. This trip of ours needs to be done fairly cheaply…. So we were looking for a small camper like we have in NZ, but there doesn’t seem to be anything like the attached image in the States…
Our plan is to buy in Dallas, in March next year and leave/sell the vehicle before our 6 month visitor visa runs out.
We then want to head to Canada in August (starting in Montreal) briefly before landing in the UK. Something fairly easy to buy and sell will be important. Any further advice is very welcome!

Thanks heaps.
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I have no knowledge of how they are priced and demand for used Class C MH's from rental companies in the U.S.A. Their units are no-frills with basic stuff.
I really like Isaac"s reply,he summed it up very well..
 
Owning and using an RV is not done very cheaply. There are many obvious and not so obvious expenses that you won't find out about until you are on the road. The US is a gigantic country. I full timed for ten years and visited all the states and every National Park in the lower 48 and I saw maybe 10% of what I wanted to see.

I think PPL Motorhomes in Dallas would be the best place to buy and sell your RV. they only deal in consignments.


You say you want a small RV. Six months in a small RV would be torture for most people. Kinda like living in your bathroom. I would not consider anything under 30 feet. I have lived in all size RVs and the 32 foot class A was the biggest and that was too small just for only me and my cat.

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You already have experience on living space in an RV, so I will not comment on what I think of living space for that long, other than to say we have done month long trips in our 28 ft class A, and by the end of a month I am glad to get home and have more elbow room, but could have survived longer in the space. I will however comment on traveling in such a size RV without pulling a TOAD car around, which we did for our first 20,000 miles of traveling, before we realized we were spending too much time in camp grounds, and not enough out seeing things. While out sight seeing in our coach I often found myself wishing it was just a bit smaller when looking for parking spaces, etc. In the US a standard full size parking space is 22 feet long, our 28 ft coach has a 178 inch wheel base, meaning if we can back into a full size parking space and overhang the curb we can fit close enough, only sticking out a little bit (sticking out no more than a large pickup truck might when parked nose in). Having said that all bets are off if attempting to find parking in larger cities, or in the older eastern part of the US where many of the towns and cities were built before the invention of the automobile.

As to your goals, it sounds like you want a turn key option with a motorhome that is ready to load up and travel when you get here, if that is the case I would suggest looking at a used Cruise America Class C, just be aware they lack most amenities, as they were specifically built for the rental market, therefore no awnings, leveling jacks, TV, slide outs, etc. or other things for renters to break. The advantage here is that Cruise America almost always has used coaches for sale across the US, they are typically about 4-5 years old, and have around 120,000 miles on the chassis when they sell them, they even have a fly and buy rebate program if you have to travel to pick up the coach. They also put them through a refurbishment process, remove all the gaudy cruise America vinyl wrap signage, replace the interior fabric seating covers, curtains, etc. and do a general chassis service. Here is a link to their current for sale offerings https://www.cruiseamerica.com/buy-used-rvs/rv-sales-inventory-usa it looks like their C23 coaches are starting around $37,000 at the moment, and the 28 and 30 ft models running about $2,000-$3,000 more. Another advantage of a used Cruise America coach is they come with a 3 month / 3,000 mile powertrain warranty, and they sell extended service plans, something that is hard to get on older circa 15+ year old coaches that you will find in the same general price / mileage range.

PPL in Texas is another option, though this is more buyer be ware, I have walked the lot at PPL a few times, most recently in January and my impression is most of the coaches there are ones that people just want gone, many appear to have sat in storage for some time before being put up for sale, and absolutely no repair / refurbishment work is done on them until after the sale. The thing I always say about PPL is that it is a great place for me to go to recalibrate my expectation of what is "good/great" condition in the RV world, and not in a good way.

p.s. it appears that for even less money Cruise America is selling pre-refurbished off rental coaches now, I guess like many places they are having a help wanted problem and have more coaches to sell than they have workers to put them through the reburbishment process. Pre-Refurbished Specials prices on these appear to start around $32,000
 
New or used? Assuming you're not financing. New you're going to take a hit on depreciation even after just 6 months. Used, even slightly used, means the original owner has to suck up the depreciation. Used also means the original owner has likely resolved any warrranty issues. Seeing as your trip isn't until 2025 you've got a year to find something suitable around the DFW ( Dallas/Ft. Worth) area, and were you to happen on what you're looking for your friends could maybe be your proxy. A NRVIA inspection would be wise, whether buying new or used, and a place to store meantime.
 
Better to sell in the states, or is it possible to sell in Canada?
Can I buy an RV in USA and bring it to Canada?
You must pay taxes and/or duties when applicable to bring your vehicle through Canadian customs. Your vehicle must be clear of any recalls. It must then pass an inspection by the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) in Canada before it can be officially considered imported.
So we were looking for a small camper like we have in NZ, but there doesn’t seem to be anything like the attached image in the States…
While not exactly the same as you have there, the USA has probably the widest range of RV types available anywhere in the world. I suggest that you take a look at these advertisements for what we call a class B motorhome. As suggested in post #5, PPL motorhomes in Houston has a lot of experience in helping folks from other countries buy and register an RV here. You should also be aware that you will have to set up an address in the US for mail in order to register any RV that you buy here.
buy in Dallas, in March next year and leave/sell the vehicle before our 6 month visitor visa runs out.
You might be able to sell it quickly but to do so you will probably need to price it well below the current market. Easy to sell usually means cheap and under the usual price. There is really no one type of RV that will sell quickly all of the time. You might be able to leave it with a consignment dealer and have the proceeds sent to you once the sale is complete but be very careful about who you choose.
 
A variety of thoughts that come to my mind...
  • Financially better to buy used, thus lowering the sales tax and the depreciation costs. But it costs you in time for finding a suitable RV & buying, so maybe not practical for you.
  • A used rental motorhome is possibly a good choice. They tend to be more basic models and the rental company usually services them and gives a warranty of sorts. And you can arrange the purchase to match your arrival. See the used selection from El Monte and Cruise America.
  • I'd avoid buying in USA and selling in Canada (or vice versa) - importing a vehicle is an extra hassle you don't need, plus it costs time & money.
  • Time is your enemy. You only have 6 months and time spent buying and selling is lost forever. You already have to deal with stocking the RV for camping & travel, and disposing/cleaning of that stuff at the end. I'd spend extra money to maximize my travel time. Six months is an insufficient amount of time to see all the USA, so you want to make the most of what you have.
  • Selling quickly at the end of your travels often means selling cheaply, maybe even wholesale rather than retail. A late-model Class B or C in nice condition should sell easily if priced attractively, but you are still dependent on whatever buyers happen to be near and ready to buy at the moment you want to leave. You could wait 3-4 weeks for a buyer to want what you have. Or it could sell in a day.
  • Selling on consignment is potentially useful to you. You leave the RV with a consignment dealer/agent and they handle the showing and selling. The commission is usually 10% and you wouldn't have to wait around in the USA. I'd suggest an agent whose main business is consignment sales rather than a new & used RV dealer that does it as a sideline. The best known consignment-only sales center is PPL Motorhomes in Texas (locations in Dallas, Houston and more). Note: Consider buying their too!
  • A friend of mine bought a used Pleasure-Way Class B and did the same as what you plan. They chose a highly popular model and sold it almost immediately when they got back home, but it still took about two weeks to get their stuff cleaned out and the transaction completed. Probably could have been done quicker, though.
 
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Gary, one minor, almost trivial point, PPL is primarily consignment, but do also accept trade ins which they own and resell.
 
Gary, one minor, almost trivial point, PPL is primarily consignment, but do also accept trade ins which they own and resell.
Yeah, I have heard that and view it with some trepidation. That inevitably means they have an incentive to sell their own units rather than the consigned ones. But as long as consignment is the bulk of their sales that should not become an issue.
 
PPL doesn’t show the RV’s, you sign in they give you a map and you do all that on your own. If you’re interested in something you notify the front desk and then they’ll send someone to help. As I recall they did require a credit check somewhere along there.
 
Last time I was there in January they did require a 5-10 minute sit down with a salesperson before sending you out onto the lot, no credit check for us though. Just telling he repeatedly that we were just looking for nothing in particular, just wanted to see if we were inspired by anything other than our current coach.
 
PPL doesn’t show the RV’s, you sign in they give you a map and you do all that on your own. If you’re interested in something you notify the front desk and then they’ll send someone to help. As I recall they did require a credit check somewhere along there.
Right, but you can peruse their inventory online and some of the units will have extensive photos. And you can ask for a sales rep to contact you as well, so you can start purchase process if you want. I don't recommend committing to purchase without a first-hand inspection, but in a situation like this it may be a worthwhile risk.
 
Right, but you can peruse their inventory online and some of the units will have extensive photos. And you can ask for a sales rep to contact you as well, so you can start purchase process if you want. I don't recommend committing to purchase without a first-hand inspection, but in a situation like this it may be a worthwhile risk.
I’ve bought one from them and shopped there for a MH, but ultimately bought from a private seller. Some of their consignment inventory looked fairly good, a lot of it not so much. It would be a good idea to thoroughly inspect anything there before buying. They offer their own inspection for $500.00 or so but it’s nothing like you’d get from NRVIA.
 
Don't forget, once you have an RV, you are going to need to outfit it with blankets and sheets, pots and pans, dishes, and toilet paper (and everything else). When you dispose of the camper, you have to get rid of all that stuff too. Outfitting is not cheap!

Also, you'll need to pay for campground fees, food, clothing, fuel, oil, and any repairs that may need done when on the road.

If buying used, you are taking a gamble on getting someone elses's abused junk. If buying brand new, you are taking a gamble on getting a unit with absolutely shoddy craftsmanship. Either scenario could cost you a small fortune in lost money and lost time waiting for repairs.

I'm just saying, be prepared for anything and hope your financial pocket can take some unwanted surprises, because you will get surprises ... for sure!
 
To follow on the outfitting budget, a lot depends on your needs, and how fancy you want to get, I bought our current coach a thousand miles from home in 2016 from a private party, it came with a coupe of water hoses, sewer hose, and a 50 to 30 amp power adapter dogbone, plus maybe some plastic cutlery, and a couple of rolls of toilet tissue. My first stop was to go on about a 2 hour spending spree at Wal-Mart (most Wal-Marts have an RV products aisle next to the automotive department with most of the essential RV items, hoses, power cords, leveling pads, etc.). I spent about $550 that first night which included some food items (sandwich fixings, etc.) as well as basic towels, pillows, sheets, blanket, 5 piece pot/pan set, set of plastic non breakable plates /bowls / tumblers, bath mat, flashlight, basic socket wrench set, kitchen utensils, can opener, dish soap, bathroom soap, disposable gloves, ...

After buying the stuff you know you will need, I suggest holding off on the other stuff until you are sure they are things you will use, things like camp chairs, bbq grill, pop up canopy, air fryer, food processor, slow cooker, etc. All total I think I spent around $1,500 outfitting our coach before our first big trip some stuff we use just about every trip (camp chairs, bbq grill, slow cooker, air fryer), others we have only used a couple of times ($275 clam pop up canopy, $200 propane fire pit, large cast iron skillet and iron cooking griddle)
 
I’ve bought one from them and shopped there for a MH, but ultimately bought from a private seller. Some of their consignment inventory looked fairly good, a lot of it not so much. It would be a good idea to thoroughly inspect anything there before buying. They offer their own inspection for $500.00 or so but it’s nothing like you’d get from NRVIA.
Of course. They are all used, so the condition can run the gamut from near-perfection to near-disaster. No consignment agent wants to list a rig that is so bad it is unsaleable, but that still leaves a wide spread of conditions. As always, caveat emptor.

But Karl & Ally are 8000 miles away and need to get a purchase selected and complete in an extremely short period of time so they can get it stocked and get on the road. The end date is fixed, so delays have a high penalty, no matter how smart they may be.
 
Don't forget Motor Home Specialist in Fort Worth, Texas. They advertise as being the world's largest motorhome dealer. I have perused their website many times, and once negotiated a deal over the phone for a Holiday Rambler (before going bankrupt) that was an unbelievable price. I chickened out on the deal though.

But, if you check their pricing they promote just about the lowest "new" motorhome pricing out there so that should equate to pretty good used pricing too since they start out with usually 30% off or better from MSRP. In other words, they aren't going to try to sell you a 5-year-old RV at a price higher than what it originally sold for.
 

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