COVID Vaccine Reactions

[Larry N.]

...but isn't there some degree of responsibility upon those in higher risk groups or averse to illness to protect themselves?

Pre-COVID, was it OK for someone with a severe case of the flu to cough or sneeze into someone's face? Or did one have a responsibility to try to not pass on the disease? Masks, distance and wiping things down can only go so far, especially when many folks who may be unknown carriers are cramming into various places, as tends to happen in certain circumstances, even with restrictions in place. If a person "might" be sick, don't they have a responsibility to try to avoid passing it on (these days ANYONE "might" be sick), so I'd think the health of the populace is everyone's responsibility.

There are major differences that seperate these diseases from this current virus. We did not shut the country's economy down or even selectively shut it down. And the country did not shut down public schools either in the modern era. And the Covid 19 vaccine and the flu shots bear no resemblance to each other.

Certainly there are differences, and one of the major differences is that the other diseases had run rampant through the population and there had been some degree of "herd immunity" before vaccinations were possible, though many still got those diseases, but they didn't suddenly come out of nowhere and spread around the world in a couple of months, either. COVID comes a little closer to the problem of the indigenous population in the 1600s and such when European diseases were brought to the American continent and wiped out some complete tribes, though the knowledge level is MUCH greater and problems are more preventable today if enough people cooperate.

BTW, there WERE school and other shutdowns with the flu pandemic in 1918, though the disease didn't travel as fast as COVID has, since transportation was slower and less ubiquitous.

In short sure, you can avoid vaccination if you wish, but that doesn't mean (as some claim) that you should "ignore" the existence of the disease and act as if it were 2019 or before.

People who get vaccinated have rights too, including a right to minimize exposure to the degree possible without having to be quarantined to do so, thus everyone needs to at least do the mitigating things like mask and distance and wipe things down.

One final comment -- right now the biggest "trial" of medicine in history is ongoing and, so far, showing that the vaccines are fine for most folks, with (as with ANY other medicine) a tiny number of people having some adverse reaction, a few of those being serious.

 

[Robert K]

The more I hear the less I think I will get the shot. My wife got her second shot yesterday (Pfizer)I think.Stayed in bed this morning nauseous and very sore arm.
I am still going with my own immune system. I've been out working every day since this started.

 

[NY_Dutch]

The more I hear the less I think I will get the shot. My wife got her second shot yesterday (Pfizer)I think.Stayed in bed this morning nauseous and very sore arm.
I am still going with my own immune system. I've been out working every day since this started.

A lot of previously very healthy people are dead from this disease. Your call of course...

 

[Mark_K5LXP]

Masks, distance and wiping things down can only go so far, especially when many folks who may be unknown carriers are cramming into various places, as tends to happen in certain circumstances, even with restrictions in place.

That's kinda my point. If I were in a risk category or if getting the virus is a problem for me, shouldn't I be avoiding people, places or events that increases my chance of exposure? Isolation is the only thing that works for sure.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM

 

[jymbee]

I am still going with my own immune system.

And to heck with any otherwise healthy person you might infect.

 

[UTTransplant]

That's kinda my point. If I were in a risk category or if getting the virus is a problem for me, shouldn't I be avoiding people, places or events that increases my chance of exposure? Isolation is the only thing that works for sure.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM

Requiring permanent isolation for people with cancer or immune system issues who are unable to take the vaccine seems a cruel way to deal with the situation. And unless we reach herd immunity, that is what those poor people will be sentenced to.

 

[Robert K]

And to heck with any otherwise healthy person you might infect.

If they are healthy then they should be fine.

My wife got the Maderna shot not the Pfizer . She said she won't get another one. was sick all next day.
They sure have scared a lot of people.

Requiring permanent isolation for people with cancer or immune system issues who are unable to take the vaccine seems a cruel way to deal with the situation. And unless we reach herd immunity, that is what those poor people will be sentenced to.

If they can't take the shot why would you think herd immunity will help. That doesn't mean the virus went away.

 

[Oldgator73]

If they are healthy then they should be fine.

My wife got the Maderna shot not the Pfizer . She said she won't get another one. was sick all next day.
They sure have scared a lot of people.

If they can't take the shot why would you think herd immunity will help. That doesn't mean the virus went away.

Many otherwise healthy people contracted COVID and some died.
Herd immunity is a resistance to the spread of infectious disease within a population that is based on pre-existing immunity of a high proportion of individuals as a result of previous infection or vaccination. The level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity ranges between 83 and 94 percent. We will never reach herd immunity because a very large percentage of one our political parties has indicated they will not get the vaccination.

 

[UTTransplant]

If they can't take the shot why would you think herd immunity will help. That doesn't mean the virus went away.

Once the virus cant find a host that can spread it, it is no longer a huge threat to the immune compromised. Polio hasn’t gone away, but no one in the US gets it anymore because the vast majority are immunized; people don’t spread it anymore. Herd immunity kicks in somewhere between 70-95%, depending on how contagious the disease is. Isaac’s estimate is pretty much right on for what I have seen from CDC about Coronavirus.

 

[FunSteak]

Hi all, OP here.

I now regret starting this thread. My apologies for the contention it has created. My intent was just to get a feel for how others have reacted to the vaccine, for my own interest, and perhaps provide some helpful info for others. I never intended for it to become political, but unfortunately in nearly any forum there are ill-informed zealots who cannot resist turning it so.

If this thread has become yet another platform to spread conspiracy BS and disinformation, it has no place here. I only was curious how others were doing, and did not mean to make any particular "statement".

Mods, I won't be offended if you close this. It's too bad some folks have difficulty staying on topic, but I'm happy to sacrifice the thread for the good of the community.

 

[Jayflight]

Hi all, OP here.

I now regret starting this thread. My apologies for the contention it has created. My intent was just to get a feel for how others have reacted to the vaccine, for my own interest, and perhaps provide some helpful info for others. I never intended for it to become political, but unfortunately in nearly any forum there are ill-informed zealots who cannot resist turning it so.

If this thread has become yet another platform to spread conspiracy BS and disinformation, it has no place here. I only was curious how others were doing, and did not mean to make any particular "statement".

Mods, I won't be offended if you close this. It's too bad some folks have difficulty staying on topic, but I'm happy to sacrifice the thread for the good of the community.

Early on I actually expressed my concerns about taking a second shot resulting from my experience with the first shot. But of course this was not acceptable to the highly partisans . There was no acceptance to anyone that considered a pause as we learned more of simular side affects as more people took the shot. So I think there was a need to discuss more than just reply .

This vaccine coming from different outlets has yet to get complete approval from the FDA. This was all new and lacked the lengthy clinical trials in large numbers and certainly not a flu vaccine in any form. Luckily being married to a medical professional there are reasons why a single medicine is not fit for everyone. There is nothing uncommon about this. It happens all the time. But for some reason this vaccine MUST BE TAKEN BY EVERYONE, completely at odds with medical practices in the professional field. We have non-medical professionals sitting in political seats championing stuff they known nothing about. They cannot let this covid go, in order to push huge spending programs thru, most of the bills having nothing to do with covid. This virus is a political tool now.

 

[SeilerBird]

"But for some reason this vaccine MUST BE TAKEN BY EVERYONE,"

I have never heard this remark. Please post a link to it.

 

[BoiseRules]

New Jersey doctor who was 'giant' in field of infectious diseases dies of COVID-19 in India

A distinguished New Jersey doctor considered "a genuine giant in the field of infectious diseases" has died from COVID-19.

abcnews.go.com

Doctor dies from Covid19 after getting vaccinated with both shots...

 

[NY_Dutch]

New Jersey doctor who was 'giant' in field of infectious diseases dies of COVID-19 in India

A distinguished New Jersey doctor considered "a genuine giant in the field of infectious diseases" has died from COVID-19.

abcnews.go.com

Doctor dies from Covid19 after getting vaccinated with both shots...

95% effectiveness means a small number of people are still vulnerable. And the 81-year old doctor had diabetes and a heart condition as well. India is also experiencing a COVID-19 variant that appears to be more easily transmitted similar to the UK variant.

 

[BoiseRules]

Oregon reports 611 vaccinated people infected with COVID-19, 8 of whom died

The 611 people tested positive at least 14 days after receiving their single dose of Johnson & Johnson or two doses of Pfizer or Moderna.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[NY_Dutch]

Oregon reports 611 vaccinated people infected with COVID-19, 8 of whom died

The 611 people tested positive at least 14 days after receiving their single dose of Johnson & Johnson or two doses of Pfizer or Moderna.

www.oregonlive.com

Key part of the article:

"Officials with the Oregon Health Authority said these cases represent a “very small” percentage -- about .047% -- of the 1.3 million Oregonians who’ve completed the one- or two-dose courses of the Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer or Moderna regimens."

 

[jymbee]

If they are healthy then they should be fine.

Wow. Obviously you just don't get it. If you get infected, you can infect someone else. Yes, someone else who is healthy. That can go on and on (it's called "spreading") until at one or more points one of these "healthy" people in your string of infections is NOT healthy. They can get very sick. They can DIE.

Boggles my mind why so many just don't get it, or perhaps just don't care.

 

[jrm1776]

I find it interesting to hear about folks' reactions to the different vaccines. I just got my second Pfizer shot last Thursday.

First one was easy-peasy. Slightly sore arm, but nothing else noticeable. Even the soreness wasn't too bad - shingles vaccine was WAY worse!

I got the second on around 4 in the afternoon. Felt perfectly fine all evening and when I went to bed. Woke up the next morning feeling headachy and a little woozy. Wouldn't quite call it dizzy, but lightheaded. I took it easy and relaxed for the day, and was right as rain by dinner.

I've heard quite a spectrum from my friends and family. "Feel perfectly fine" to "knocked down for two days" and much in between. One friend just woke up in the middle of the night after shot 2 with serious vertigo; thankfully he was okay by the next morning.

How has it gone for you? No biggie, or feeling crappy for a while?

infertility is going to be the major issue. I'm curious why so many are getting an unapproved jab when acquiring the virus is still allotting a 99.97% survival rate while we have known preventative and cures like HCQ and Ivermectin. Even those over 75 are at 91% chance of surviving this. I don't personally care if people want to get it to make themselves feel better but I'm not going to tolerate the government or others telling me that I need to get it. If it works (which it apparently doesn't since people fully vaccinated have acquired Covid still), why do we both need it? Furthermore... cases are dropping by huge margins. Our military base just came out with their weekly report and we now have zero positive tests. I'm also curious as to why the big wigs like Fauci will not listen to other doctors like Dr. Simone Gold (AFLDS.org) seriously, if you come down with it, their are remedies out there now, actually they were out there when someone popular told us about HCQ. Many doctors took HCQ and still never got covid while treating covid patients. I told my kids to stay away from it because it's not approved. Even when the FDA approves it, I'll still be fine without it and many of you would be too. Just my 2 cents. Get outdoors, get that sun, vitamin D, and in the winter months, take 5000-10,000 units of Vitamin D. Power up your bodies to fight off the BS. one last thing... "Viruses" don't want their "Host" dying so they can replicate. Many "deaths" were related to some other underlying issue. Hope this has helped someone stay healthy. Least wait for the FDA to approve the "Vaccines" before being a test subject. Check out America's Front Line Doctors and hear their research. Dr. Simone Gold is also an attorney so I think she knows that she doesn't want to put out false information and then get sued from someone. They've also formed a legal team to answer questions for anybody having their human rights violated. Many blessings to you all and hope someone can help with my generator overheating issue in "tech" section.

 

[jrm1776]

Wow. Obviously you just don't get it. If you get infected, you can infect someone else. Yes, someone else who is healthy. That can go on and on (it's called "spreading") until at one or more points one of these "healthy" people in your string of infections is NOT healthy. They can get very sick. They can DIE.

Boggles my mind why so many just don't get it, or perhaps just don't care.

Suggestion: find video's from Dr. Simone Gold and maybe you'll find your answers to your concerns

Home | America's Frontline Doctors

Meet America's Premier Civil Liberties Organization. America's Frontline Doctors wants to Fight for Your Medical Freedom.

www.americasfrontlinedoctors.org

 

[jrm1776]

95% effectiveness means a small number of people are still vulnerable. And the 81-year old doctor had diabetes and a heart condition as well. India is also experiencing a COVID-19 variant that appears to be more easily transmitted similar to the UK variant.

we've heard from friends in India and they don't understand where the media is coming up with their nonsense. Sounds fishy to me