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What I hope the tech is doing is to check for varying voltages at the EBrake pin on the connector. If there is none, then I would suspect the brake controller. In meantime, spray connectors with a contact cleaner. There are plugins with lights that can easily show what is happening.
 
Since your truck is under warranty, the tech is likely to play Parts Darts instead of correctly troubleshooting the problem. That's fine as long you're not footing the bill, but your truck may be in the shop for a bit while they guess at what's wrong.

Like the other guys stated....I would disconnect the battery on the trailer and run some diagnostics on the 12V system. Check continuity on the brake circuit between the connector and the brake magnets, and ensure nothing is shorted to ground. Start there and report back. A spark indicates either a large draw, or a short. Rule those out first.
 
they are telling me that the part should take about 10 days to get and i am leaving town till about the 25th and so it might be a little while before i know anything.
thanks for the help
Pat
 
Talked to the with the people about the truck tonight and he has replaced all the modules and still not right. Said that he put in two brake switches on dash and all of the sent a code. From what i understood is the code was saying the switchs were bad. I really can't see having two bad switches. He said he check all the wires and connections. I still have a hard time believing that at first when the brakes seem to work that within minutes they didn't work and they can't find out why.
 
I really can't see having two bad switches.
A career in electrical service work has taught me that while that is possible, it is not probable. A good tech should be able to verify the switchs with a quality ohm meter. Many people consider that a switch is either good or bad but they can also introduce some level of resistance that might effect the voltage supplied. A good switch when closed should introduce less than 3 Ω and should read the same each time it is closed. It should also read infinity when released.
 
It would seem "they" have met the extent of their skill set. From here you can decide to pay for their OJT or seek out a more knowledgeable shop. Often just checking the basics and going by diagnostic codes can get you there, but when it doesn't you separate the technicians from the parts changers.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM
 
Before my last trip to Branson in November the brakes started working. I had went to the dealer and had the switch they were having problem getting and with talking with the service manger we decided to reprogram the program on setting up a second trailer. We deleted all the info in the trailer setting on the truck and put the info for my trailer in again The brakes worked good. Sure don't know why that made a difference but the brakes started working. Haven't gotten the camper out this year yet but hopefully they will still be working ok.
I would like to thank everyone for all the help they gave me,

Thanks
Pat
 
Take a look at the trailer cord. I had a problem years ago where the key on the trailer connector was worn off due to having drug on the ground. That allowed the connector to be plugged in upside down. That puts the trailer battery and the truck battery in a series short circuit and big sparks. I haven't looked to see what that might to integrated brake controllers.
 
Well i have been on many trips this summer and the brakes have worked pretty well. You can feel them helping stop the trailer. By using the brakes switch on the dash i can not get the brakes to lock up at full gain. They do slow the trailer down. I was told by the RV service tech that the brakes won't lock up on a 7000 pound trailer. I would think that they should but o well.
Pat
 
I was told by the RV service tech that the brakes won't lock up on a 7000 pound trailer. I would think that they should but o well.
Depends on the size of the wheel/hub and associated electric brake drum pads. The RV maker can skimp on brake capacity just like anything else. Anything to save a few dollars, especially in a place that most buyers will never look before purchase.
 
I was told by the RV service tech that the brakes won't lock up on a 7000 pound trailer. I would think that they should but o well.
Pat
My belief is that you do not want to ever lockup trailer brakes, unless want to become a member of the jackknife club. That is why they give you a brake controller. Especially with ABS on the tow vehicle. Any wheel that is skidding, cannot be controlled. It may or may not follow the truck. If the trailer brakes lock up, your best hope is that the truck and trailer are in a straight line on a flat surface. On rain/snow days, I back the controller down a bit and leave more space in front of me.

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Is your truck a Ford? I have two friends that had the same problem with their 2022 trucks. In their case it required a factory firmware update, twice!! Go figure, everything is now a smart controller. Good luck. Dennis
 
My belief is that you do not want to ever lockup trailer brakes, unless want to become a member of the jackknife club.
The owners manual on my Ram 1500 says to set the gain so the trailer brakes lock just at full gain. I probably disagree with them. The truck has ABS so will never lock.

Skidding tires have a lower coefficient of friction so having the trailer skidding lowers tire grip and ability to decelerate.
 
Skidding tires have a lower coefficient of friction so having the trailer skidding lowers tire grip and ability to decelerate.
Just from my own experience with ABS on unplowed snow covered downhill roads during a hard stop. The tires no longer push the snow into nice big piles in front of them to help it stop, but they just make these little snow piles that the tires go right over, and so I keep on going, going, and going.
 
You don't want any brake to actually "lock up", whether trailer or tow vehicle. The reason of course is that a skidding tire loses traction and decreases the braking effect. The trick is to adjust until the lock-up point is barely reached, then back off a hair so the tire keeps rolling with a lot of drag. Sounds fairly simple, but the tire-skid point depends a lot on the surface underneath the tire, so it's as much art as science.
 
My rule of thumb is to set the controller so that the trailer brakes alone drag your entire rig to a stop within about its own total length (bumper-to-bumper) from 15-20 MPH when manually activated. Example: truck (19') + trailer (30') = 49' (total length). Set your controller at a point that when you squeeze the paddles the trailer brakes alone will drag you to a stop in +/- 50 feet. YMMV
 
Sounds fairly simple, but the tire-skid point depends a lot on the surface underneath the tire, so it's as much art as science.
The brake controller that I use had instructions that stated that it should be set to the point where maximum manual braking would just slide the tires on dirt or gravel surface, then back off the smallest amount possible.
 
You don't want any brake to actually "lock up", whether trailer or tow vehicle. The reason of course is that a skidding tire loses traction and decreases the braking effect. The trick is to adjust until the lock-up point is barely reached, then back off a hair so the tire keeps rolling with a lot of drag. Sounds fairly simple, but the tire-skid point depends a lot on the surface underneath the tire, so it's as much art as science.
The brake controller that I use had instructions that stated that it should be set to the point where maximum manual braking would just slide the tires on dirt or gravel surface, then back off the smallest amount possible.
The brake controller they use on my truck say that they provide braking proportional to how hard/fast I step on the brake pedal, but they aren't supposed to be able to lock up even when set on the highest gain. I haven't been able to test that out because even though I've had the truck for 6 months, neither I nor anyone I know owns a trailer with electric brakes.
 
The brake controller that I use had instructions that stated that it should be set to the point where maximum manual braking would just slide the tires on dirt or gravel surface, then back off the smallest amount possible.
Yes, just barely sliding on sand or gravel is a good way to be sure you are braking hard but still below the pavement skid threshold. I've used that technique myself. Works well is you have access to the right type of surface and can pull the trailer there for a test run.
 
The brake controller they use on my truck say that they provide braking proportional to how hard/fast I step on the brake pedal, but they aren't supposed to be able to lock up even when set on the highest gain.
I don't know how the controller could guarantee that. It has no knowledge of the state of the actual trailer brakes or their adjustment, or of the road surface under the tires. It gets no feedback from the trailer wheels to tell it that wheel lock-up is about to occur. The gain control just limits the max amps sent to the brakes.
 

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