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Wasillaguy said:
FBI opened a criminal investigation.
Meanwhile we still don't even have the name/names of the pilot/pilots on board.
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I'm not interested in the name(s) of the pilot(s) it was not their fault.
I'm interested in what went wrong and who down below (The engine room) is responsible.
And so is the FBI. They will very likely figure it out
 
Wasillaguy said:
FBI opened a criminal investigation.
Meanwhile we still don't even have the name/names of the pilot/pilots on board.
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The harbor pilots do not physically operate the ship. Instead, they direct the ships crew to operate the ship. Obviously, once power is lost there's nothing the harbor pilots or the crew can do to control the vessel.
 
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NY_Dutch said:
The harbor pilots do not physically operate the ship. Instead, they direct the ships crew to operate the ship. Obviously, once power is lost there's nothing the harbor pilots or the crew can do to control the vessel.
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The harbor pilot is actually never in charge, the vessels master or senior officer is and he can override at anytime the harbor pilots instructions to the helm. Otherwise, the harbor pilot, has nothing to do with the internal operation of the vessel and has zero authority on board other than his limited authority in the navigation of the vessel.
 
ziplock said:
You need an EZ pass to cross the bridge. It had a FAIR rating the last time it was evaluated in 2022. Paying a fee to cross for FAIR upkeep is not going over very well today.

We haven't heard who is getting sued yet.

I am not sure what is taking so long.
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Here in Maryland, we found another victim/worker, and we still need to find two more.

Many people are looking at different angles to sue.

You will stop hearing about it, just like the train wrecks.

When the time is right, they will bring it back into the news.
 
Pilot has ultimate authority to decide if conditions are satisfactory to navigate the waterway. Weather conditions, ship conditions, crew condition, or any other thing they might find of concern. If the pilot says no go, it doesn't go.
There are reports the ship was having power problems while at the dock, loading.
 
Wasillaguy said:
Pilot has ultimate authority to decide if conditions are satisfactory to navigate the waterway. Weather conditions, ship conditions, crew condition, or any other thing they might find of concern. If the pilot says no go, it doesn't go.
There are reports the ship was having power problems while at the dock, loading.
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The ship had indeed been under repair while in port. It was, in fact, delayed from scheduled departure due to the repairs being performed.
The big question will be whether the ship was properly cleared on the repairs before the Pilot authorized the departure, and how the repairs were verified before that clearance was issued. And, of course, was the power failure related to the repair activity.
 
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Wasillaguy said:
Pilot has ultimate authority to decide if conditions are satisfactory to navigate the waterway. Weather conditions, ship conditions, crew condition, or any other thing they might find of concern. If the pilot says no go, it doesn't go.
There are reports the ship was having power problems while at the dock, loading.
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That’s not even the case, not even close. The pilot has no way of knowing crew condition, engineering condition, ship condition, etc. They can refuse to pilot the vessel due to weather conditions, but other than that their duties are limited to advising the master on matters relating to safe navigation, speed, maneuvering into and out of the berth and control of the harbor tugs. The vessel’s master is in charge, always, the pilot is his advisor only.
 
Onyrlef said:
From the perspective of any extreme the middle appears to be the other extreme.
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Not logically.

Using linear representation, the middle is the middle. The beginning is one extreme, the middle is the middle, and the end is the other extreme. Depending upon how long the spectrum you want to use.

And using your circular clock analogy, that would be 180 degrees opposite. Zero being one extreme, 90 or 270 being the middle and 180 being the other extreme. Depending upon where on the circle or clock you start.

But of course, extremes in emotion, thinking, and politics tend not to present logically. (y)
 
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John From Detroit said:
I'm not interested in the name(s) of the pilot(s) it was not their fault.
I'm interested in what went wrong and who down below (The engine room) is responsible.
And so is the FBI. They will very likely figure it out
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As a career sailor, the engine room is seldom responsible for loss of power. Loss of power is usually attributed to malfunctioning equipment that cannot be made functional again in a limited amount of time.
 
NY_Dutch said:
The harbor pilots do not physically operate the ship. Instead, they direct the ships crew to operate the ship. Obviously, once power is lost there's nothing the harbor pilots or the crew can do to control the vessel.
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This is true. My uncle was Chief Harbor Pilot in San Diego for 30 years. Should the ship lose power there is nothing he can do about it until the crew fixes the issue.
 
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