benmack1
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I just bought a 37' Pace Arrow about 2 months ago. I have done every preventative maintenance item I can think of. I finally got a chance to go on a trip yesterday evening and 25 miles from home I came down on the brakes and the pedal goes to the floor! I have driven the rig probably a total of 150 miles since I have owned it. Not a hint of a problem until yesterday. It has 41K miles and is a 1997 model 36S with a tag axel.
More on the story. I did have some braking power and fortunately had alot of room to woa it up from 50 mph to the end of the ramp. The pedal was not completely soft but I certainly noticed it was not slowing as it usually does and was very squishy. It did come back a little with pumping the pedal. I had to keep moving to get out of the way of traffic so I slowly crawled along a secondary road and I could smell something hot. When I got parked, I shut it down, jumped out and opened the front. I heard a single loud click near the master cylinder if that means anything. Could have been my imagination at that point also. The left front and the left dual brakes were smoked. You couldn't put your hand on the hubcap and clearly they had been locked up at some point for some distance (5 miles?). I noticed when came down off the freeway a few miles earlier that the rig pulled to the right when I pushed the brakes firmly (still had pedal at that time). The tag axel on the left rear has a drum brake I think and the duals and steers have disks. The tag on the left was not hot at all. Only the front left and dual drive axel left sides. All the rights seemed to only have the normal heat that a 25 mile trip on a 90 degree day would produce - not too hot. I let it cool while the road service took 4 hours to get me and when the wrecker picked it up all brakes were released. Those are the facts.
The wrecker driver (big semi type rig - he seemed experienced) mentioned that my brake fluid was low. I checked it this morning and it was maybe an inch below the top of the resevoir no where near empty but definitely not full. He mentioned that some systems will lock up when they are low on fluid. However, I only appear to have locked up 2 of the 3 left sides and not any of the rights. I don't know if he is correct or not. I also read in the book that the front and rears are on different master cylinder loops but not the left and the right. Also of note this thing has something called a hydro-booster system in the back end. I guess this boosts the brakes in the rear somehow. This is a ford chasis by the way. The books also mention that this booster system has some type of connection with the power steering fluid or system. I did notice before the failure yesterday that the steering was especially stiff or resistant. All belts appear to be on and there appears to be PS fluid levels that are fine.
I have no idea what happened or caused the problem other than the rig has set for at least a year to 18 months before I bought it and had very little use in that time. This problem and system is far beyond my skills in automotive repair and I am having it towed into a truck dealer (I have a great road service provider so this hasn't been that bad on the wallet - yet). My biggest concern is that I get it fixed right and the real problem solved. I also would like to have some idea when I go in on Monday what to expect them to say. Anybody ever have something like this happen. It was ironic, I had brakes lock and then really couldn't stop. I guess I boiled the fluid and ended up with air or a vacuum in the lines and didn't have sufficient pressure to really put the binders on - at least I think. So now why? Thanks to any comments.
More on the story. I did have some braking power and fortunately had alot of room to woa it up from 50 mph to the end of the ramp. The pedal was not completely soft but I certainly noticed it was not slowing as it usually does and was very squishy. It did come back a little with pumping the pedal. I had to keep moving to get out of the way of traffic so I slowly crawled along a secondary road and I could smell something hot. When I got parked, I shut it down, jumped out and opened the front. I heard a single loud click near the master cylinder if that means anything. Could have been my imagination at that point also. The left front and the left dual brakes were smoked. You couldn't put your hand on the hubcap and clearly they had been locked up at some point for some distance (5 miles?). I noticed when came down off the freeway a few miles earlier that the rig pulled to the right when I pushed the brakes firmly (still had pedal at that time). The tag axel on the left rear has a drum brake I think and the duals and steers have disks. The tag on the left was not hot at all. Only the front left and dual drive axel left sides. All the rights seemed to only have the normal heat that a 25 mile trip on a 90 degree day would produce - not too hot. I let it cool while the road service took 4 hours to get me and when the wrecker picked it up all brakes were released. Those are the facts.
The wrecker driver (big semi type rig - he seemed experienced) mentioned that my brake fluid was low. I checked it this morning and it was maybe an inch below the top of the resevoir no where near empty but definitely not full. He mentioned that some systems will lock up when they are low on fluid. However, I only appear to have locked up 2 of the 3 left sides and not any of the rights. I don't know if he is correct or not. I also read in the book that the front and rears are on different master cylinder loops but not the left and the right. Also of note this thing has something called a hydro-booster system in the back end. I guess this boosts the brakes in the rear somehow. This is a ford chasis by the way. The books also mention that this booster system has some type of connection with the power steering fluid or system. I did notice before the failure yesterday that the steering was especially stiff or resistant. All belts appear to be on and there appears to be PS fluid levels that are fine.
I have no idea what happened or caused the problem other than the rig has set for at least a year to 18 months before I bought it and had very little use in that time. This problem and system is far beyond my skills in automotive repair and I am having it towed into a truck dealer (I have a great road service provider so this hasn't been that bad on the wallet - yet). My biggest concern is that I get it fixed right and the real problem solved. I also would like to have some idea when I go in on Monday what to expect them to say. Anybody ever have something like this happen. It was ironic, I had brakes lock and then really couldn't stop. I guess I boiled the fluid and ended up with air or a vacuum in the lines and didn't have sufficient pressure to really put the binders on - at least I think. So now why? Thanks to any comments.