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Dean & Linda Stock
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Billy Bob said:
We have lots more. We promise our kids when we leave each fall that we'll be home for Thanksgiving and try to get home a few days before. We are headed next to Ohio (Toledo, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Cleveland, Sandusky, Cayuhoga Valley NP, Columbus, Powell, Dayton, Cincinnati) and then Indianapolis. Then we'll look at the calendar and select from Plans A, B, and C.
I am enjoying your log, too, now that you are safe. You make our problems seem miniscule. It sounds like your boat captain was very professional. We are planning a New England trip in the next year or two. Do you recommend the ship you took? Can you give me the name? It sounds like you had an exciting time, rich with whales.
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Oct. 12 Day 51 Monroe, Michigan (outside Detroit)
If I were a zoo animal, the Detroit Zoo would be my #1 choice. It is one ne of the most modern zoos in the country, featuring spacious, open exhibits. Designed to simulate natural environments, habitats are laid out over 125 acres. Admission for 2 seniors and 1 car was $29.
There were several animals that were new to me It was odd to see the Matschie's Tree Kangaroo IN A TREE! (Picture 1) He can climb, because unlike his land-bound cousins, all 4 limbs are nearly equal in length. The do carry their joeys in their pouch. They eat leaves and fruit.
I have never been so close to a bull before. Yes, he is small, but those horns could still do a lot of damage (Picture 2)
Did you know there are no wolverines in Wisconsin and never were? The wolverine is a fierce predator with awesome claws. (Picture 3) The state either got its name because of the trading of wolverine pelts at the "Crossroads" of Sault Ste. Marie or from the way the gluttonous French traders ate their food. (I love the info I get from my I-phone!)
I have seen bear cats before, but I can't ever remember their real name--binturong. (Picture 4) He is supposed to be a great swimmer and climber, but all I've ever seen him doing is relaxing. Maybe it's because he lives in a zoo and doesn't have to fish or chase small mammals, like he does at home in Southeast Asia.
I think the giant anteater is an oxymoron, both beautiful and ugly. (Picture 5) His beautiful fur on his paws is combined with the world's most ugly face. His tongue is 24" long! The white at the rear is a jealous anteater who ran over to get his picture taken, too.
The polar bear posed for us. (Picture 6) He sure doesn't look like he can run a mile in 2 minutes.
The snow monkey (Japanese Macaque) must be permanently embarrassed because his face is always very red (as are his private parts). (Picture 7) The zoo had a lot of snow monkeys, and they seemed very happy. Some were grooming each other, and this keeps the social bonds within the troop and keeps the monkeys free of parasites.
The lioness (Picture 8) was very vocal. She is a recent widow, and they are looking for a male lion.
Just a big pussycat? The only other cat in the zoo was this gentle-looking Siberian tiger (Picture 9).
The butterfly area was small, but it had pretty butterflies. (Pictures 10 and 11) The morpho (Picture 12) was a streak of fluorescent blue as he flew right in front of Dean. This camera-shy fellow kept his wings folded up and outwaited my patient husband.
We were greeted by beautiful macaws (Picture 13) when we entered the free-flight aviary. It looked small, but as we came around each curve, we found more interesting birds. I like the eye make-up this little lad uses, as well as his bright orange feet. (Picture 14) The bright red on this scarlet ibis reflects the good care he's being given. (Picture 15)
Throughout the whole day, we saw keepers working hard to keep the enclosures clean, but they were willing to stop to answer questions. There were zero wire cages or fences. They used natural barriers, like moats. Many of their animals are rescued animals. I loved the Detroit Zoo!
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite and cellphone reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers.
If I were a zoo animal, the Detroit Zoo would be my #1 choice. It is one ne of the most modern zoos in the country, featuring spacious, open exhibits. Designed to simulate natural environments, habitats are laid out over 125 acres. Admission for 2 seniors and 1 car was $29.
There were several animals that were new to me It was odd to see the Matschie's Tree Kangaroo IN A TREE! (Picture 1) He can climb, because unlike his land-bound cousins, all 4 limbs are nearly equal in length. The do carry their joeys in their pouch. They eat leaves and fruit.
I have never been so close to a bull before. Yes, he is small, but those horns could still do a lot of damage (Picture 2)
Did you know there are no wolverines in Wisconsin and never were? The wolverine is a fierce predator with awesome claws. (Picture 3) The state either got its name because of the trading of wolverine pelts at the "Crossroads" of Sault Ste. Marie or from the way the gluttonous French traders ate their food. (I love the info I get from my I-phone!)
I have seen bear cats before, but I can't ever remember their real name--binturong. (Picture 4) He is supposed to be a great swimmer and climber, but all I've ever seen him doing is relaxing. Maybe it's because he lives in a zoo and doesn't have to fish or chase small mammals, like he does at home in Southeast Asia.
I think the giant anteater is an oxymoron, both beautiful and ugly. (Picture 5) His beautiful fur on his paws is combined with the world's most ugly face. His tongue is 24" long! The white at the rear is a jealous anteater who ran over to get his picture taken, too.
The polar bear posed for us. (Picture 6) He sure doesn't look like he can run a mile in 2 minutes.
The snow monkey (Japanese Macaque) must be permanently embarrassed because his face is always very red (as are his private parts). (Picture 7) The zoo had a lot of snow monkeys, and they seemed very happy. Some were grooming each other, and this keeps the social bonds within the troop and keeps the monkeys free of parasites.
The lioness (Picture 8) was very vocal. She is a recent widow, and they are looking for a male lion.
Just a big pussycat? The only other cat in the zoo was this gentle-looking Siberian tiger (Picture 9).
The butterfly area was small, but it had pretty butterflies. (Pictures 10 and 11) The morpho (Picture 12) was a streak of fluorescent blue as he flew right in front of Dean. This camera-shy fellow kept his wings folded up and outwaited my patient husband.
We were greeted by beautiful macaws (Picture 13) when we entered the free-flight aviary. It looked small, but as we came around each curve, we found more interesting birds. I like the eye make-up this little lad uses, as well as his bright orange feet. (Picture 14) The bright red on this scarlet ibis reflects the good care he's being given. (Picture 15)
Throughout the whole day, we saw keepers working hard to keep the enclosures clean, but they were willing to stop to answer questions. There were zero wire cages or fences. They used natural barriers, like moats. Many of their animals are rescued animals. I loved the Detroit Zoo!
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite and cellphone reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers.
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Nice photos! Linda, I'm so glad you tell us what we're looking at because I'd never guess some of them!
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Dean & Linda Stock
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ArdraF said:
Zoos are a favorite place for us to visit, but sometimes I get stressed when I see small enclosures. It seems, though, that every zoo has some animals that are new to me. And it bugs the heck out of me when I've seen an animal in 5 or 6 zoos and I can't remember its name--like the binturong. I have been reading the book, Sacajawea, that you gave me a couple of years ago, and it is so interesting!
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Oct. 13 Day 52 Monroe, Michigan (outside Detroit)
We drove an hour through rain to get to President Gerald Ford's Presidential Library at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, only to discover that it just houses his papers and is for research. His museum is all the way across the state to its western border in Grand Rapids. OOPS!
We did enjoy driving around the beautiful city of Ann Arbor. At one time it boasted the greatest number of telephones and cars per capita in the U.S. Definitely an upscale community! On my cellphone I learned that they have an awesome mall, but we decided not to tempt ourselves.
Instead, we saved our money (Ha! Ha!) and went to the casino. Actually, I won what Dean lost, so as a team we broke even. I wanted to try their buffet that they were so proud of, but I found it pretty average. We've been spoiled by the Las Vegas buffets, I guess.
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite and cellphone reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers.
We drove an hour through rain to get to President Gerald Ford's Presidential Library at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, only to discover that it just houses his papers and is for research. His museum is all the way across the state to its western border in Grand Rapids. OOPS!
We did enjoy driving around the beautiful city of Ann Arbor. At one time it boasted the greatest number of telephones and cars per capita in the U.S. Definitely an upscale community! On my cellphone I learned that they have an awesome mall, but we decided not to tempt ourselves.
Instead, we saved our money (Ha! Ha!) and went to the casino. Actually, I won what Dean lost, so as a team we broke even. I wanted to try their buffet that they were so proud of, but I found it pretty average. We've been spoiled by the Las Vegas buffets, I guess.
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite and cellphone reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers.
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Oct. 14 Day 53 Monroe, Michigan (outside Detroit)
I verified all my information today before we left for The Henry Ford in Dearborn. The Henry Ford campus includes the museum, the Greenfield Village, the Ford Rouge Factory Tour, an IMAX Theatre, and the Benson Ford Research Center. Senior admission to the museum is $15, plus $5 for the car. It is very well maintained and has wonderful exhibits, so it is worth the price.
Seeing the original 1952 Weinermobile brought back fond childhood memories. (Picture 1) We sped past the dollhouse section, the farm machinery, oil wells, power, furniture, and "Made in America" manufacturing, all of which were beautifully exhibited and explained. However, we could see by the size of the museum that we were going to have to pick and choose the areas where we had real interest.
We saw the bus that Rosa Parks was riding on when she refused to cede her seat. (Pictures 2, 3, 4, 5). After the boycott ended, the riders were instructed by their leadership to follow Martin Luther King's non-violence. Rules are listed on this chart that was posted in their center. (Picture 6) I was surprised to see the whole Ku Klux Klan costume and the honest, forthright explanations. They had wonderful displays throughout the "With Liberty and Justice for All" section about the struggle for equality experienced by all groups that have been discriminated against.
The aircraft section was fascinating. I didn't know that Edsel Ford, Henry's only child, got him involved with planes. From 1925 to 1928, Henry experimented with a small, economical airplane that would be the "Model T of the Air." Charles Lindbergh took him on his first flight, and he only flew a few times. He said, "I would rather build a big plane and learn something, even if it didn't fly, than build a smaller one that worked perfectly and not learned anything." He could see that it was the transport of the future, and he developed the Flivver. (Picture 7) However, a special young man, who Henry treated almost as a son, died at age 25 flying an experimental Flivver, and that killed some of Henry's desire.
Henry Ford did develop an all-metal aircraft, "The Tin Goose". The Ford Trimotor (Picture 8) had rugged durability. The display had a standard sheet of aluminum and the same thickness of corrugated aluminum so you could feel how much stronger and less flexible the corrugated aluminum was. Its success opened a whole new era in commercial aviation in the late 1920's.
Henry Ford's involvement in aviation helped make passenger flights practical, but his aviation division was only in full operation from 1925 to 1932. He lost over $5.5 million in that time, and he never turned a profit.
Using the plans from the 1903 Wright Brothers' plane, Ken Hyde built this replica to the same specifications with exactly the same materials for the 100th anniversary for the museum. (Picture 9)
The "Heroes of the Air" taught me a lot. Planes originally were used mostly to ferry mail, not people. A pilot named Jack Knight waited in North Platte, Nebraska to transfer mail sacks from San Francisco and take them on to Omaha. By the time he transferred the sacks, it was 10:45 P.M. Citizens along his route lit bonfires to guide him in his effort to prove that airplanes could be flown at night. He said that without the farmers' bonfires, he'd be completely lost. The idea was to get the mail across the country in a continuous relay. However, when he got to Omaha, he found out that his relief pilot was snowed in over in Chicago. He was so determined to make it, that he hopped back into the plane and headed for Des Moines, which he found snowed in. So, he continued on, hoping to make it to Iowa City before his fuel ran out. He stayed on course by looking at his map with his flashlight. He circled the place where Iowa City was supposed to be. But, with a snowstorm coming, all the citizens had put out their bonfires and gone home! One night watchman heard his engine and lit a fire just in time. He landed, refueled, and went on to Chicago--after taking a catnap and warming up his frozen feet. Knight together with the San Francisco pilot and the Chicago pilot--made it cross-country to New York in less than half the time it took by any other mode of transportation.
Navigation was a mammoth headache. Sometimes the pilots followed train tracks, rivers, and landmarks. Pilots taped several maps to their pants and made their own books, recording landmarks on the route they usually flew. Landmarks they noted were tall church steeples and golf courses. People across the U. S. wanted to help. If people heard of a plane in trouble, they would rush out to light bonfires along a path and on the nearest landing field. Pilots made a list of farmers who would let them use their phones in an emergency. In 1920 the US Post Office compiled this into the Book of Directions. In the 1920's in order to promote all-night flying, the Post Office set beacon lights along routes at 10-25 mile intervals. They rotated in every direction and could be seen 40-100 miles away.
Another pilot wanted to get from New York to Cleveland for a romantic evening. He was so desperate that he talked one of his buddies into taking him. The plane was full of mailbags, so he laid down on top of the wing and held onto the wires the whole way!
As a young mail pilot, Charles Lindbergh ran out of gas, was caught in bad weather, and unable to see the ground. Thinking quickly, he rose to 5,000 feet, jumped overboard, and parachuted through the fog while the plane circled around him out of control. Once on the ground, he took off to find his wrecked plane. The plane was destroyed, but the mail was undamaged, so he walked it to the nearest post office.
When Admiral Byrd chose to fly over the North and South Poles, he had to fight the cold. Oil can get sticky. In order to keep the plane running, he built fires around the oilcans to heat the oil to a liquid so he could pour it into the engines. He kept the engines warm through the use of canvas sacks and gas-powered stoves. I wonder how he prevented a big explosion! There is a big debate about whether he actually made it to the North Pole. I don't think he made it. What do you think? (Picture 10) I can't imagine flying this tiny metal plane in such weather. (Picture 11)
Dean and I were in college when President Kennedy was assassinated, and we were devastated. We have been to the Texas Book Depository Museum, which is outstanding. Seeing the actual 1961 Lincoln limousine that he was riding in when he was killed touched heartstrings. (Picture 12)
The1972 Lincoln that Ronald Reagan sought refuge in when John Hinckley shot him is on display (Picture 13). We could see the place where a bullet ricocheted. Like all presidential cars after Kennedy's death, it is completely armored and has a permanent roof and bulletproof glass. But, in a concession to the presidents' desire to be seen, the sunroof can be opened so two people can stand up and wave. It had a flip-down bumper for the agents to stand on. (Picture 14)
Their auto collection was like a timeline. It started with horse-drawn carriages and went into the future with the prototype for the electric Ford Fiesta. Remember the Corvair? (Picture 15)
The 1948 Tucker sedan (Picture 16) with its swooping fenders and 6 exhaust pipes looks like a Buck Rogers comic book rocket ship. The center light turns with the front wheels to illuminate corners. You can see the taillights from the side for safety. The doors curve into the roof for easier access, and the grilles on the rear fenders feed cooling air to the rear-mounted engine. It had a huge trunk. Only 51 cars were sold before financial troubles killed the company.
There was a section on the evolution of the RV. Henry Ford gave this trailer to his friend Charles Lindbergh in 1942. (Picture 17) Charles and his wife used it as a home on the road and as a spare room and study at home.
This 1975 FMC motorhome (Picture 18) was used by Charles Kuralt when he taped the show, "On the Road", which lasted 27 years. It carried a 3-man TV crew on America's back roads, where they inspired others to travel and camp. No one ever slept in it. His crew modified the interior, creating storage for equipment and film. It was like a rolling studio. They went to all 50 states and traveled more than 1,000,000 miles. The motorhome cost $27,000 when the average wage was $8,632.
There were a lot of huge trains on exhibit. The 1601 was an "articulated engine," which is a more powerful engine. (Picture 19) I know Dean thought the Canadian train (Picture 20) was really special, but he's in bed, so I can't tell you what is special about it. Maybe I can get him to comment tomorrow.
Our grand finale was a trip to the IMAX to see "Rocky Mountain Express" about the Canadian train and building the railway. We only paid $4.50 each because after the first admission, each subsequent admission is 50% off. Dean really isn't into visiting period houses, but I've heard that their Greenfield Village is the best attraction of all. I would recommend visiting the Henry Ford.
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers
I verified all my information today before we left for The Henry Ford in Dearborn. The Henry Ford campus includes the museum, the Greenfield Village, the Ford Rouge Factory Tour, an IMAX Theatre, and the Benson Ford Research Center. Senior admission to the museum is $15, plus $5 for the car. It is very well maintained and has wonderful exhibits, so it is worth the price.
Seeing the original 1952 Weinermobile brought back fond childhood memories. (Picture 1) We sped past the dollhouse section, the farm machinery, oil wells, power, furniture, and "Made in America" manufacturing, all of which were beautifully exhibited and explained. However, we could see by the size of the museum that we were going to have to pick and choose the areas where we had real interest.
We saw the bus that Rosa Parks was riding on when she refused to cede her seat. (Pictures 2, 3, 4, 5). After the boycott ended, the riders were instructed by their leadership to follow Martin Luther King's non-violence. Rules are listed on this chart that was posted in their center. (Picture 6) I was surprised to see the whole Ku Klux Klan costume and the honest, forthright explanations. They had wonderful displays throughout the "With Liberty and Justice for All" section about the struggle for equality experienced by all groups that have been discriminated against.
The aircraft section was fascinating. I didn't know that Edsel Ford, Henry's only child, got him involved with planes. From 1925 to 1928, Henry experimented with a small, economical airplane that would be the "Model T of the Air." Charles Lindbergh took him on his first flight, and he only flew a few times. He said, "I would rather build a big plane and learn something, even if it didn't fly, than build a smaller one that worked perfectly and not learned anything." He could see that it was the transport of the future, and he developed the Flivver. (Picture 7) However, a special young man, who Henry treated almost as a son, died at age 25 flying an experimental Flivver, and that killed some of Henry's desire.
Henry Ford did develop an all-metal aircraft, "The Tin Goose". The Ford Trimotor (Picture 8) had rugged durability. The display had a standard sheet of aluminum and the same thickness of corrugated aluminum so you could feel how much stronger and less flexible the corrugated aluminum was. Its success opened a whole new era in commercial aviation in the late 1920's.
Henry Ford's involvement in aviation helped make passenger flights practical, but his aviation division was only in full operation from 1925 to 1932. He lost over $5.5 million in that time, and he never turned a profit.
Using the plans from the 1903 Wright Brothers' plane, Ken Hyde built this replica to the same specifications with exactly the same materials for the 100th anniversary for the museum. (Picture 9)
The "Heroes of the Air" taught me a lot. Planes originally were used mostly to ferry mail, not people. A pilot named Jack Knight waited in North Platte, Nebraska to transfer mail sacks from San Francisco and take them on to Omaha. By the time he transferred the sacks, it was 10:45 P.M. Citizens along his route lit bonfires to guide him in his effort to prove that airplanes could be flown at night. He said that without the farmers' bonfires, he'd be completely lost. The idea was to get the mail across the country in a continuous relay. However, when he got to Omaha, he found out that his relief pilot was snowed in over in Chicago. He was so determined to make it, that he hopped back into the plane and headed for Des Moines, which he found snowed in. So, he continued on, hoping to make it to Iowa City before his fuel ran out. He stayed on course by looking at his map with his flashlight. He circled the place where Iowa City was supposed to be. But, with a snowstorm coming, all the citizens had put out their bonfires and gone home! One night watchman heard his engine and lit a fire just in time. He landed, refueled, and went on to Chicago--after taking a catnap and warming up his frozen feet. Knight together with the San Francisco pilot and the Chicago pilot--made it cross-country to New York in less than half the time it took by any other mode of transportation.
Navigation was a mammoth headache. Sometimes the pilots followed train tracks, rivers, and landmarks. Pilots taped several maps to their pants and made their own books, recording landmarks on the route they usually flew. Landmarks they noted were tall church steeples and golf courses. People across the U. S. wanted to help. If people heard of a plane in trouble, they would rush out to light bonfires along a path and on the nearest landing field. Pilots made a list of farmers who would let them use their phones in an emergency. In 1920 the US Post Office compiled this into the Book of Directions. In the 1920's in order to promote all-night flying, the Post Office set beacon lights along routes at 10-25 mile intervals. They rotated in every direction and could be seen 40-100 miles away.
Another pilot wanted to get from New York to Cleveland for a romantic evening. He was so desperate that he talked one of his buddies into taking him. The plane was full of mailbags, so he laid down on top of the wing and held onto the wires the whole way!
As a young mail pilot, Charles Lindbergh ran out of gas, was caught in bad weather, and unable to see the ground. Thinking quickly, he rose to 5,000 feet, jumped overboard, and parachuted through the fog while the plane circled around him out of control. Once on the ground, he took off to find his wrecked plane. The plane was destroyed, but the mail was undamaged, so he walked it to the nearest post office.
When Admiral Byrd chose to fly over the North and South Poles, he had to fight the cold. Oil can get sticky. In order to keep the plane running, he built fires around the oilcans to heat the oil to a liquid so he could pour it into the engines. He kept the engines warm through the use of canvas sacks and gas-powered stoves. I wonder how he prevented a big explosion! There is a big debate about whether he actually made it to the North Pole. I don't think he made it. What do you think? (Picture 10) I can't imagine flying this tiny metal plane in such weather. (Picture 11)
Dean and I were in college when President Kennedy was assassinated, and we were devastated. We have been to the Texas Book Depository Museum, which is outstanding. Seeing the actual 1961 Lincoln limousine that he was riding in when he was killed touched heartstrings. (Picture 12)
The1972 Lincoln that Ronald Reagan sought refuge in when John Hinckley shot him is on display (Picture 13). We could see the place where a bullet ricocheted. Like all presidential cars after Kennedy's death, it is completely armored and has a permanent roof and bulletproof glass. But, in a concession to the presidents' desire to be seen, the sunroof can be opened so two people can stand up and wave. It had a flip-down bumper for the agents to stand on. (Picture 14)
Their auto collection was like a timeline. It started with horse-drawn carriages and went into the future with the prototype for the electric Ford Fiesta. Remember the Corvair? (Picture 15)
The 1948 Tucker sedan (Picture 16) with its swooping fenders and 6 exhaust pipes looks like a Buck Rogers comic book rocket ship. The center light turns with the front wheels to illuminate corners. You can see the taillights from the side for safety. The doors curve into the roof for easier access, and the grilles on the rear fenders feed cooling air to the rear-mounted engine. It had a huge trunk. Only 51 cars were sold before financial troubles killed the company.
There was a section on the evolution of the RV. Henry Ford gave this trailer to his friend Charles Lindbergh in 1942. (Picture 17) Charles and his wife used it as a home on the road and as a spare room and study at home.
This 1975 FMC motorhome (Picture 18) was used by Charles Kuralt when he taped the show, "On the Road", which lasted 27 years. It carried a 3-man TV crew on America's back roads, where they inspired others to travel and camp. No one ever slept in it. His crew modified the interior, creating storage for equipment and film. It was like a rolling studio. They went to all 50 states and traveled more than 1,000,000 miles. The motorhome cost $27,000 when the average wage was $8,632.
There were a lot of huge trains on exhibit. The 1601 was an "articulated engine," which is a more powerful engine. (Picture 19) I know Dean thought the Canadian train (Picture 20) was really special, but he's in bed, so I can't tell you what is special about it. Maybe I can get him to comment tomorrow.
Our grand finale was a trip to the IMAX to see "Rocky Mountain Express" about the Canadian train and building the railway. We only paid $4.50 each because after the first admission, each subsequent admission is 50% off. Dean really isn't into visiting period houses, but I've heard that their Greenfield Village is the best attraction of all. I would recommend visiting the Henry Ford.
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers
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Linda and Dean,
Your trip is adding so many things to my bucket list! However if I do not make it to all of them, I will have a lot more knowledge about places due to your informative reports. Thank you so much. I know how much time it takes!
I had a little chuckle about your Gerald Ford Library trip.
Your trip is adding so many things to my bucket list! However if I do not make it to all of them, I will have a lot more knowledge about places due to your informative reports. Thank you so much. I know how much time it takes!
I had a little chuckle about your Gerald Ford Library trip.
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Betty Brewer said:
Betty, you got me started, and it is really addictive. It takes a lot of time, but it makes scrapbooking easier. And, I get tips from Forumers that are really good--more so on our spring trips than on the fall trips.
You once told us that these little boo-boos make for good stories. And, I really did enjoy Ann Arbor. It is so-o-o-o-o pretty, especially in the fall. Unfortunately, it was rainy, or I would have gone to a cute cafe and had lunch and window-shopped. Just from looking at the "average" homes, I know that I wouldn't want to pay what the shops would be asking, but I'm sure they had wonderful, high-quality merchandise. Dean isn't big on shopping, though, especially if we're not on a mission to buy something new (like a computer). He could spend all day in the Apple Store. Browsing just to enjoy what's out there bores him quickly.
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Thank you Dean!! ;D
Seriously, I love reading your reports. Thank YOU Linda!
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Linda,
When I mentioned your comments about the Detroit Zoo, Jerry surprised me by saying he'd love to go there. It seems when he was a boy growing up on the west side of Detroit, they used to get on their bicycles and ride out there for the day. Even though I lived in Detroit for eight years, I don't think I've ever been there, so I guess that's on our list for the next time we're there. We did stop last summer at the old Fort Wayne which neither of us had visited before. Sadly, it's in very bad repair with roofs disintegrating and quite literally buildings falling apart. Such a shame. By the way, we went there to see the Tuskeegee Airman Museum which is on the fort's grounds.
I'm glad you liked the Ford Museum. When I was in college I was a Greenfield Village guide for two years (a plum job I might add) and I remembered the museum as being old and dusty. As you can imagine I was delighted to see the upgraded bright and modern facility that was well arranged and so interesting. I think you'd both love Greenfield Village. When we had guide training we had to memorize all the details about every building. The packet of materials was about four inches thick. I was disappointed that they now rely more on recordings, but people whose time is limited don't seem to want to stick around to listen to someone tell them about the buildings. It's too bad because a lot of interesting details get lost in the process.
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When I mentioned your comments about the Detroit Zoo, Jerry surprised me by saying he'd love to go there. It seems when he was a boy growing up on the west side of Detroit, they used to get on their bicycles and ride out there for the day. Even though I lived in Detroit for eight years, I don't think I've ever been there, so I guess that's on our list for the next time we're there. We did stop last summer at the old Fort Wayne which neither of us had visited before. Sadly, it's in very bad repair with roofs disintegrating and quite literally buildings falling apart. Such a shame. By the way, we went there to see the Tuskeegee Airman Museum which is on the fort's grounds.
I'm glad you liked the Ford Museum. When I was in college I was a Greenfield Village guide for two years (a plum job I might add) and I remembered the museum as being old and dusty. As you can imagine I was delighted to see the upgraded bright and modern facility that was well arranged and so interesting. I think you'd both love Greenfield Village. When we had guide training we had to memorize all the details about every building. The packet of materials was about four inches thick. I was disappointed that they now rely more on recordings, but people whose time is limited don't seem to want to stick around to listen to someone tell them about the buildings. It's too bad because a lot of interesting details get lost in the process.
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Dean & Linda Stock
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ArdraF said:
I am hoping to get my last Detroit blog done tonight. I don't know how "spur of the moment" you guys are, but be sure to get BBQ at Slow's (Dean and I both had brisket). I'm going to try to get my favorite Detroit site finished tonight. We've been so busy having fun and taking care of business that I am a couple of days behind.
I would have liked to see Greenfield. The weather chased us out--really rainy and cold. I'll put Greenfield on my "Next Time" List.
Dean & Linda Stock
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Oct. 15 Day 54 Monroe, Michigan (outside Detroit)
I love seeing and doing new things, and I rarely like "Do Overs"--whether it's seeing a movie for a second time, or a book, or an attraction. I'm sure I could count the list of places I would go to a second time on my fingers. But, this would be my first stop if I'm ever in Detroit again.
There aren't superlatives grand enough to describe The Guardian Building. Our guide, Christopher, (Picture 1) said it is the most ornate in detail Art Deco Aztec-Renaissance building in the United States. Absolutely GORGEOUS, it was nicknamed "The Cathedral of Finance" when it opened in 1929 as the headquarters for a bank, the Guardian Detroit Union Group. It has a Southwestern United States Native American theme, with touches of Aztec. The "Indian" theme was popular at that time as a symbol of peace and prosperity.
When we entered the elegant lobby, I felt like I stepped back 80 years in time. This beautiful mosaic was the first thing we saw. (Picture 2) When was the last time you saw "faith" and "ideals of financial service" in the same sentence? Isn't that an oxymoron? Wrapped around the big window in the lobby is an Indian headdress with feathers coming down the side. Outside the window I saw beehives inscribed. I was told that was because the workers were supposed to be busy worker bees. The lobby was large and they had dances there after hours. In front of the window is an indoor balcony where the band played dance music. I can picture it!
The SmithGroup, the architectural firm that designed the building, still houses over 200 of its employees here. The lobby's vaulted ceiling is covered in vivid Rookwood tile laid in diamond patterns. The architect, Rowland, used marble and stone from many different countries. They even had a mine in South Africa re-opened to get the exact red color marble they wanted. Rowland helped formulate the tangerine colored "Guardian Brick". Almost two million bricks were used to construct the building. Rowland also designed the Buhl Building across the street, which I would have loved to visit, also. It advertises "elegant business suites", and if the inside is anything like the outside, I would love to work there. Mary Chase Stratton made Pewabic tiles for the building, and her pottery is very famous today.
On our left was a little cafe. Our tour, which was supposed to leave at 1:00 was postponed until 1:30. So we purchased butternut squash soup (Yummy!) and split a delicious grilled turkey sandwich.
The grand archway into the banking hall is an elaborate grille of Monel metal, which is a unique, expensive composite of copper, nickel, and aluminum with a taupe-colored finish. In the top of the archway, there is an original Tiffany clock, one of only three in existence. On the sides are a key shape, symbolizing locking up the money, and a sword, symbolizing protecting the money.
It has one of the largest suspended ceilings in the world. (Picture 3) It has a colorful canvas and horsehair treatment to improve the hall's acoustics. People didn't want to be broadcasting their banking information. The big yellow splash at the back wasn't there. It has to be a reflection from something.
There were 80 teller windows, 40 on each side of the center aisle in the hall. The original teller windows were made of Monel metal. They were melted down to make battleships during WWII, but some were "lost" (someone hid a few teller windows away). They were re-installed on windows upstairs when they were found recently. (Picture 4) They also melted down the Monel wastebaskets, and doorknobs.
The bank housed 40% of the area's resources. One-fourth of the depositors in Detroit banked here. Unfortunately, when the market crashed, the bank did, too. Wayne County took it over. During the war, it was used as an armory. Now Wayne County holds its commission meetings in a room underneath the Grand Arch, operates tours, rents our the Grand Hall to the Bank America, and has several little shops selling Michigan products in the Main Hall. Kudos to Wayne County government, a political body that recognizes the value of restoring a building which is now a National Historical Landmark.
At the rear of the banking hall is an amazing 5-story high mural map of Michigan. (Picture 5) It pays tribute to Michigan's industries. They were aware that the sun would fade the brilliant colors, so they put in these sun-filtering windows. (Picture 6)
Another distinctive feature is the use of a "notched arch" design throughout the building on windows, doorknobs, floor patterns, and drinking fountains.
There were two beautiful alcoves leading to the striking elevators (Picture 7). These are original elevators, and they are LARGE. With 40 floors of employees, they had to hold a lot of people, even though there were four of them.
At the end of each hallway is a beautiful stained glass Aztec angel made by Tiffany. He holds over his head the portal for fidelity and security. (Picture 8) Dean is an excellent photographer, but it is impossible to capture the elegant feeling and stunning beauty of these areas. These lamps were in the architect's plans, but they were never made. When they restored the building, they commissioned an artist to make them to the architect's specifications. (Picture 9)
The original banking boardroom on the 6th floor is still intact, (Picture 10) which includes walnut and wood-paneled interiors. The mahogany and walnut are all handcrafted and beautifully matched. Throughout this floor, there was so much wood--all hand-sculpted. I wish I could show the intricate detail better. (Picture 11) Behind that door in the rear is a kitchen where chefs prepared gourmet meals for the board members. The Monel doorknobs have also been restored. (Picture 12) When we look out the windows, we see other magnificent building. One was "The Old Gas Building", which was the prototype for The Twin Towers. Another is the Buhr building, and when I visit Detroit next time, we will wander through its lobby if they will allow it.
There was a grand room, which served as a dining room for all of the building's employees. There used to be French doors leading to outside balconies where the windows are now. When the crash happened, so many bankers jumped off the balconies they replaced the doors with windows that were hard to jump out of. (Picture 13)
We re-boarded the elevator to go to the top of the 3 basements. The very bottom basement housed the heating system and boilers. The middle basement was used for storage. And the top basement was used to protect the money. Look at this incredible safe! (Picture 14) It is so big that they rent it out for dinner parties and bridal lunches. Dean says that the locks are just like the ones he saw in the missile silos. (Pictures 15 & 16) The safe deposit boxes were huge and stored in a separate vault. (Picture 17) Note that there were 2 combination locks instead of 2 keys. There were timers on all the vault doors, and the safe couldn't be opened until the bank opened the next morning. (Picture 18) There are de-humidifiers in the ceiling to keep the money crisp. This vault has been in 3 films with famous actors, "Game of Death," "Street Kings 2," and one more. No one every stole one dollar out of this vault.
"Big Chris" told us that if anyone who has their picture taken with this "Indian" has good luck for 24 hours. (Picture 19) Since we were going to the casino tonight, I hopped off my scooter and had my picture taken. And, it worked! So, if you come, be sure to get your picture taken with the Indian.
When we exited, we went through this door. We haven't seen a door like this that doesn't operate automatically in over 20 years. The tour was free (Christopher deserves a nice tip!), but Valet Parking, which is a necessity, is $5.
Christopher recommended that we go to Cliff Bell's to eat and hear blues and jazz. I looked it up on the Internet, and it sounds like a special place. I wish we had better weather and could go. He also highly recommended the Bucharest Grill.
We had heard from a couple of others who raved about Slow's BarBQ. It is in a seedy neighborhood. There is street parking and a dirt lot across the street. There are so many people going in and out that you feel safe. We had eaten at Red Smoke BBQ a couple of days ago, and we didn't think it was anything special. But, Slow's was! Their beef brisket was tender, moist, smoky--just delicious. We also heard about the Yardbird Sandwich, piled high with juicy smoked pulled chicken tossed with mushrooms and cheddar and topped with applewood bacon. The wait for a table was 1.5 hours. We got ours "to go." Lots of others did, too. It is a hopping joint, a testament to its good BBQ.
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers
I love seeing and doing new things, and I rarely like "Do Overs"--whether it's seeing a movie for a second time, or a book, or an attraction. I'm sure I could count the list of places I would go to a second time on my fingers. But, this would be my first stop if I'm ever in Detroit again.
There aren't superlatives grand enough to describe The Guardian Building. Our guide, Christopher, (Picture 1) said it is the most ornate in detail Art Deco Aztec-Renaissance building in the United States. Absolutely GORGEOUS, it was nicknamed "The Cathedral of Finance" when it opened in 1929 as the headquarters for a bank, the Guardian Detroit Union Group. It has a Southwestern United States Native American theme, with touches of Aztec. The "Indian" theme was popular at that time as a symbol of peace and prosperity.
When we entered the elegant lobby, I felt like I stepped back 80 years in time. This beautiful mosaic was the first thing we saw. (Picture 2) When was the last time you saw "faith" and "ideals of financial service" in the same sentence? Isn't that an oxymoron? Wrapped around the big window in the lobby is an Indian headdress with feathers coming down the side. Outside the window I saw beehives inscribed. I was told that was because the workers were supposed to be busy worker bees. The lobby was large and they had dances there after hours. In front of the window is an indoor balcony where the band played dance music. I can picture it!
The SmithGroup, the architectural firm that designed the building, still houses over 200 of its employees here. The lobby's vaulted ceiling is covered in vivid Rookwood tile laid in diamond patterns. The architect, Rowland, used marble and stone from many different countries. They even had a mine in South Africa re-opened to get the exact red color marble they wanted. Rowland helped formulate the tangerine colored "Guardian Brick". Almost two million bricks were used to construct the building. Rowland also designed the Buhl Building across the street, which I would have loved to visit, also. It advertises "elegant business suites", and if the inside is anything like the outside, I would love to work there. Mary Chase Stratton made Pewabic tiles for the building, and her pottery is very famous today.
On our left was a little cafe. Our tour, which was supposed to leave at 1:00 was postponed until 1:30. So we purchased butternut squash soup (Yummy!) and split a delicious grilled turkey sandwich.
The grand archway into the banking hall is an elaborate grille of Monel metal, which is a unique, expensive composite of copper, nickel, and aluminum with a taupe-colored finish. In the top of the archway, there is an original Tiffany clock, one of only three in existence. On the sides are a key shape, symbolizing locking up the money, and a sword, symbolizing protecting the money.
It has one of the largest suspended ceilings in the world. (Picture 3) It has a colorful canvas and horsehair treatment to improve the hall's acoustics. People didn't want to be broadcasting their banking information. The big yellow splash at the back wasn't there. It has to be a reflection from something.
There were 80 teller windows, 40 on each side of the center aisle in the hall. The original teller windows were made of Monel metal. They were melted down to make battleships during WWII, but some were "lost" (someone hid a few teller windows away). They were re-installed on windows upstairs when they were found recently. (Picture 4) They also melted down the Monel wastebaskets, and doorknobs.
The bank housed 40% of the area's resources. One-fourth of the depositors in Detroit banked here. Unfortunately, when the market crashed, the bank did, too. Wayne County took it over. During the war, it was used as an armory. Now Wayne County holds its commission meetings in a room underneath the Grand Arch, operates tours, rents our the Grand Hall to the Bank America, and has several little shops selling Michigan products in the Main Hall. Kudos to Wayne County government, a political body that recognizes the value of restoring a building which is now a National Historical Landmark.
At the rear of the banking hall is an amazing 5-story high mural map of Michigan. (Picture 5) It pays tribute to Michigan's industries. They were aware that the sun would fade the brilliant colors, so they put in these sun-filtering windows. (Picture 6)
Another distinctive feature is the use of a "notched arch" design throughout the building on windows, doorknobs, floor patterns, and drinking fountains.
There were two beautiful alcoves leading to the striking elevators (Picture 7). These are original elevators, and they are LARGE. With 40 floors of employees, they had to hold a lot of people, even though there were four of them.
At the end of each hallway is a beautiful stained glass Aztec angel made by Tiffany. He holds over his head the portal for fidelity and security. (Picture 8) Dean is an excellent photographer, but it is impossible to capture the elegant feeling and stunning beauty of these areas. These lamps were in the architect's plans, but they were never made. When they restored the building, they commissioned an artist to make them to the architect's specifications. (Picture 9)
The original banking boardroom on the 6th floor is still intact, (Picture 10) which includes walnut and wood-paneled interiors. The mahogany and walnut are all handcrafted and beautifully matched. Throughout this floor, there was so much wood--all hand-sculpted. I wish I could show the intricate detail better. (Picture 11) Behind that door in the rear is a kitchen where chefs prepared gourmet meals for the board members. The Monel doorknobs have also been restored. (Picture 12) When we look out the windows, we see other magnificent building. One was "The Old Gas Building", which was the prototype for The Twin Towers. Another is the Buhr building, and when I visit Detroit next time, we will wander through its lobby if they will allow it.
There was a grand room, which served as a dining room for all of the building's employees. There used to be French doors leading to outside balconies where the windows are now. When the crash happened, so many bankers jumped off the balconies they replaced the doors with windows that were hard to jump out of. (Picture 13)
We re-boarded the elevator to go to the top of the 3 basements. The very bottom basement housed the heating system and boilers. The middle basement was used for storage. And the top basement was used to protect the money. Look at this incredible safe! (Picture 14) It is so big that they rent it out for dinner parties and bridal lunches. Dean says that the locks are just like the ones he saw in the missile silos. (Pictures 15 & 16) The safe deposit boxes were huge and stored in a separate vault. (Picture 17) Note that there were 2 combination locks instead of 2 keys. There were timers on all the vault doors, and the safe couldn't be opened until the bank opened the next morning. (Picture 18) There are de-humidifiers in the ceiling to keep the money crisp. This vault has been in 3 films with famous actors, "Game of Death," "Street Kings 2," and one more. No one every stole one dollar out of this vault.
"Big Chris" told us that if anyone who has their picture taken with this "Indian" has good luck for 24 hours. (Picture 19) Since we were going to the casino tonight, I hopped off my scooter and had my picture taken. And, it worked! So, if you come, be sure to get your picture taken with the Indian.
When we exited, we went through this door. We haven't seen a door like this that doesn't operate automatically in over 20 years. The tour was free (Christopher deserves a nice tip!), but Valet Parking, which is a necessity, is $5.
Christopher recommended that we go to Cliff Bell's to eat and hear blues and jazz. I looked it up on the Internet, and it sounds like a special place. I wish we had better weather and could go. He also highly recommended the Bucharest Grill.
We had heard from a couple of others who raved about Slow's BarBQ. It is in a seedy neighborhood. There is street parking and a dirt lot across the street. There are so many people going in and out that you feel safe. We had eaten at Red Smoke BBQ a couple of days ago, and we didn't think it was anything special. But, Slow's was! Their beef brisket was tender, moist, smoky--just delicious. We also heard about the Yardbird Sandwich, piled high with juicy smoked pulled chicken tossed with mushrooms and cheddar and topped with applewood bacon. The wait for a table was 1.5 hours. We got ours "to go." Lots of others did, too. It is a hopping joint, a testament to its good BBQ.
Staying at Sterling State Park--$132 + $29 for an annual pass (or $8/day) FHU, 50 amps, great satellite reception, paved roads and pads, grass, fire pits, right on Lake Erie, some smell from nearby smokestack, very accommodating rangers
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Okay, Linda. You got us. How did you find out about the Guardian Building? Neither of us ever heard of the Guardian Bank Building and Jerry worked right across the street in the Buhl Building! Fifty years ago we didn't appreciate the Buhl Building so maybe we need to visit both of them on our next trip to Detroit. Did you get to the Renaissance Center? It was built after we left. Right across the street is the Mariner's Church which is a monument to Great Lakes sailors and their ships. Also, the Fisher Building which is farther out of downtown (and might not even be open now because G.M. is no longer there) had a beautiful art deco theater where we saw Dame Margo Fonteyn dance. Jerry went to Cooley High School and when we went back for his 50th reunion they had just renovated it. They did a wonderful job on the art deco auditorium. Sadly, Cooley has been closed because of Detroit's declining population. If you drive around you might see where entire blocks have been leveled and replaced with vegetable gardens.
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Dean & Linda Stock
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ArdraF said:
Ardra, one of the reasons I enjoy posting is that so many people tell me about attractions. Also, you may have picked up on the fact that I like to play blackjack on my first night in a Harrah's city. I always ask the players and dealers about where they take visitors. Usually, the pit boss overhears (a good pit boss hears everything), and he/she may add in info. I get Audubon magazine, and they give me some sights, as do the RV magazines & Sunset magazine. I use AAA Tour Book, and I look up "TripAdvisor Attractions and the name of the city" on line. I started saving info about 30 years ago, and when I retired, I organized it by state on my computer. Some info I get in RV parks. I usually ask my neighbors what they've done and if they liked it if I see them outside. I chat with people I meet while I'm waiting in line. I don't know where I heard about The Guardian, but from my notes I am sure I got it from a person rather than a magazine.
I didn't realize how tied you were to Detroit or I would have asked you for more info. If you go to the Buhl, please send me a personal e-mail at my e-mail address (ask me now if you don't have it), and I want to see your pictures. It's possible that these buildings weren't as grand 50 years ago because they had 30+ years of use, and if they weren't maintained, they could have been dulled. Having a great guide makes a tour if they enjoy what they're doing. I didn't have the proper money for a tip for Christopher, so I just wrote him a thank-you note and sent him a check tonight. I never thought a building would knock my socks off! Unfortunately, I didn't hear about the Renaissance Center. I did have a theatre on my list, but when I checked on it, either it was not open on the days we would be there or it had something playing we weren't interested in. I don't know if that's the same theatre.
We're in Cleveland area, headed for Columbus, OH, tomorrow morning.
Dean & Linda Stock
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Oct. 16 Day 55 Medina, Ohio (35 miles south of Cleveland)
I am really sad that we won't have time to go to the Detroit Museum of Art because I've heard raves about it. I came into Detroit with a negative image of gangs and inner-city blight. As I leave, I look forward to coming back. However, the only park "close" to Cleveland (27 miles away) is shutting down for the winter, so if we want to see Cleveland at all, we have to scurry. Cleveland is not predicted to have rain on any of the 3-4 days we are going to be there. Hurrah!
The drive was an easy 140 mile drive--at least it was easy until we came across the sign that said "BRIDGE OUT" and no suggestion for a detour. All the GPS wanted to do was "Make a U-turn" or "Turn right," which we knew would be followed by 2 more right turns to take us back where the bridge was out. I knew we were within 20 miles, so I called the RV park for new directions. The lovely lady who answered knew nothing and turned us over to a lady (I think) who had such a raspy voice that we could not even get a hint of what she was saying. So we drove and drove, then turned right and let the GPS guide us in.
It was too late to go to an attraction, so we went into the new Horseshoe Casino. It's set up really oddly. The building was formerly a meat market. The parking garage is a block away from the casino, and the casino does not have a hotel. There was a sign saying parking cost $25, to which I reacted, "NO WAY!" (even after driving 45 minutes to get there). However, other cars had come in behind us. I would have gotten out, talked to the drivers, and had everyone back up. But, Dean bit the bullet and drove on in. The man in the next parking spot explained that if we played in the casino for 30 minutes, parking was free, and they would also give us a free buffet. They have the high charge because they are right next to the city's stadium and want to have parking for Harrah's customers, rather than stadium visitors. There is a high city police presence, so we felt safe. Their slots were pretty loose, and both Dean and I had fun and won (very unusual!). I suspect that this is because they've only been open 5 months, and as they get a customer base, they will tighten up. We don't bet a lot, so we don't usually make a lot, but we had fun winning. The buffet was very good for a mid-size buffet. Harrah's employees are always top-notch.
Staying at Willow Lake Park, Inc. $120/3 nights, (too expensive for what it is, but it's the only game in town--or even around the vicinity of town---old game of supply and demand, 50 amps & water, dump station, good WIFI, close spaces, but no one is here, so it seems spacious, the closest decent RV camp
I am really sad that we won't have time to go to the Detroit Museum of Art because I've heard raves about it. I came into Detroit with a negative image of gangs and inner-city blight. As I leave, I look forward to coming back. However, the only park "close" to Cleveland (27 miles away) is shutting down for the winter, so if we want to see Cleveland at all, we have to scurry. Cleveland is not predicted to have rain on any of the 3-4 days we are going to be there. Hurrah!
The drive was an easy 140 mile drive--at least it was easy until we came across the sign that said "BRIDGE OUT" and no suggestion for a detour. All the GPS wanted to do was "Make a U-turn" or "Turn right," which we knew would be followed by 2 more right turns to take us back where the bridge was out. I knew we were within 20 miles, so I called the RV park for new directions. The lovely lady who answered knew nothing and turned us over to a lady (I think) who had such a raspy voice that we could not even get a hint of what she was saying. So we drove and drove, then turned right and let the GPS guide us in.
It was too late to go to an attraction, so we went into the new Horseshoe Casino. It's set up really oddly. The building was formerly a meat market. The parking garage is a block away from the casino, and the casino does not have a hotel. There was a sign saying parking cost $25, to which I reacted, "NO WAY!" (even after driving 45 minutes to get there). However, other cars had come in behind us. I would have gotten out, talked to the drivers, and had everyone back up. But, Dean bit the bullet and drove on in. The man in the next parking spot explained that if we played in the casino for 30 minutes, parking was free, and they would also give us a free buffet. They have the high charge because they are right next to the city's stadium and want to have parking for Harrah's customers, rather than stadium visitors. There is a high city police presence, so we felt safe. Their slots were pretty loose, and both Dean and I had fun and won (very unusual!). I suspect that this is because they've only been open 5 months, and as they get a customer base, they will tighten up. We don't bet a lot, so we don't usually make a lot, but we had fun winning. The buffet was very good for a mid-size buffet. Harrah's employees are always top-notch.
Staying at Willow Lake Park, Inc. $120/3 nights, (too expensive for what it is, but it's the only game in town--or even around the vicinity of town---old game of supply and demand, 50 amps & water, dump station, good WIFI, close spaces, but no one is here, so it seems spacious, the closest decent RV camp
