Yah I guess, but as I mentioned those are trucks. I think there will be gas and diesel trucks for decades yet.
Again jmho. I’m not up on this kind of thing.
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Again jmho. I’m not up on this kind of thing.
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The key is the way you define a "truck" vs. a passenger car, that's why we have SUVs and not station wagons today. And one big reason the Ford F-150 "truck" is the best selling model.
Back in the 70s the federal government started issuing fuel economy standards for "passenger cars". Automakers responded by shrinking the size of their products, largely getting rid of their full size models in favor of smaller ones that had better fuel mileage.
This left a void of vehicles that could comfortably carry more than two adults or large families. SUVs were developed because technically they aren't passenger cars. They skirt the definitions and are instead classified as "multipurpose passenger vehicles" because they're body-on-frame and have certain characteristics such as defined front and rear clearance angles meant for off-road use.
I see something similar happening when the EV mandate comes into effect, automakers will simply come out with ICE variants that skirt whatever that law defines as a "passenger car".
Multipurpose passenger vehicle Definition: 108 Samples | Law Insider
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Some of the larger EVs are TEVs (Tank Electric Vehicles). Not exactly energy efficient at 9,000 pounds. My guess is that the EV mandate wouldn't want to have TEVs replacing fuel efficient ICE vehicles.
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What the electric Hummer's size and weight means for its efficiency
The GMC Hummer EV creates more emissions than other electric vehicles and is, in many ways, a supersized gas guzzler for a new era.
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Interesting.
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Or maybe buy a new one out-of-state and bring it into CA as a used vehicle? Though I suspect CA would eventually make that difficult too.
Right now it's easy for the pols and greenies to push hard for EV-only, and easy for car makers to hop on the bandwagon cause 2035 seems far away. As those self-imposed deadlines gets closer, some amount of reality will begin to set in. For example, the capability of the power grid in each region, the availability of public charging, the percentage of people who can actually make effective use of an EV, etc. The car-makers will also be reading the revenue tea-leaves to see just how many buyers still want or actually need to have ICE vehicles. The Almighty $ speaks loudly, even in Washington and Sacramento.
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Right, but then SUVs morphed into "crossovers" which by any measure are passenger vehicles and in any case are subject to the same vehicle standards and CAFE requirements.
Plug-in Hybrids (PHEVs) may be one end-run around mandates, providing a technical & political compromise that both the EV and the ICE crowds can live with.
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Yep, I see Las Vegas car dealerships prospering selling ICE vehicles to Californians. Maybe even tied in with fly-and drive Las Vegas vacations similar to the way VW offered European pickup of their VW Bugs in the 1960s.
As a Nevada resident I'm looking forward to this. Nevada already has no state income tax and low property taxes thanks to the income Las Vegas tourists bring in.
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The California 2035 mandate allows for hybrids...
"The rule establishes a year-by-year roadmap so that by 2035 100% of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles."
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In the late 1980's I worked in the San Francisco Bay area of which an employee was transferred to from out-of-state with a vehicle that didn't meet the California vehicle emission requirements. Not just testing, but it was the engine of which wasn't even sold within California due to it met Federal emissions, not California emissions requirements. He couldn't register the vehicle in California, couldn't sell it there, and had to sale it outside of California. California Emissions weren't met by all ICE vehicles sold in the US back then. California is tough on the registration of vehicles that don't meet their mandates.
"The rule establishes a year-by-year roadmap so that by 2035 100% of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles."
California moves to accelerate to 100% new zero-emission vehicle sales by 2035 | California Air Resources Board
SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board today approved the trailblazing Advanced Clean Cars II rule that sets California on a path to rapidly growing the zero-emission car, pickup truck and SUV market and deliver cleaner air and massive reductions in climate-warming pollution.
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In the late 1980's I worked in the San Francisco Bay area of which an employee was transferred to from out-of-state with a vehicle that didn't meet the California vehicle emission requirements. Not just testing, but it was the engine of which wasn't even sold within California due to it met Federal emissions, not California emissions requirements. He couldn't register the vehicle in California, couldn't sell it there, and had to sale it outside of California. California Emissions weren't met by all ICE vehicles sold in the US back then. California is tough on the registration of vehicles that don't meet their mandates.
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The way that is worded, it makes me think hybrids will NOT be allowed as they are not "zero-emissions" as they still have a tailpipe.
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"Plug-in hybrid, full battery-electric and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles count toward an automaker’s requirement. PHEVs must have an all-electric range of at least 50 miles under real-world driving conditions. In addition, automakers will be allowed to meet no more than 20% of their overall ZEV requirement with PHEVs."
I can’t speak for California but in BC it’s the year that makes it registerable. EG. If it’s a 2040 and it is gas it can’t be registered. This stops people from bringing in new gas vehicles from out of province.
Canada has guidelines for 2035 but those are still guidelines I believe.
BC has the highest adaption rate of EV’s in North America. 1 in 5 new cars sold here are EV’s. Quebec is second highest and I believe California is third. There is one remaining gas station in downtown Vancouver and they are putting in more charge stations. People like them here in BC. The guidelines were put in place but they are probably not needed. The 2026 guidelines were already met in 2022.
Canada has guidelines for 2035 but those are still guidelines I believe.
BC has the highest adaption rate of EV’s in North America. 1 in 5 new cars sold here are EV’s. Quebec is second highest and I believe California is third. There is one remaining gas station in downtown Vancouver and they are putting in more charge stations. People like them here in BC. The guidelines were put in place but they are probably not needed. The 2026 guidelines were already met in 2022.
Babe2201
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What have I made up? I might not be mandated to buy an EV. If certain people have their way I will have to drive my current vehicles until for the next 25-30 years. That is not a valid choice.
SeilerBird
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You are making up everything. No one is mandating anything. You cannot predict the future. Who are these 'certain people'?
Time marches on.
One can’t purchase a car with a carburetor any more either.
One can’t purchase a car without a catalytic converter anymore either.
By the time these mandates come in no one will miss gas cars, and the manufacturers know it.
One can’t purchase a car with a carburetor any more either.
One can’t purchase a car without a catalytic converter anymore either.
By the time these mandates come in no one will miss gas cars, and the manufacturers know it.
Oldgator73
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I miss taking my horse and carriage to Lowe’s. 
Babe2201
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That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. As far as the certain people pay a little attention and you will see.
Babe2201
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Is there a mandate saying you can't buy one?I miss taking my horse and carriage to Lowe’s.
Babe2201
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Which one of those changes made it so the car would not run on gas?
Well, take it up with the manufacturers. Insist that they keep making gas cars regardless of the marketplace. While you are at it get them to bring back carburetors.
Or just buy a 3/4 ton truck or SUV. They are aren’t affected by any mandates.
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I assume that is also coming. Will just take longer, as they are already making large EV vehicles, which will keep on improving.
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