driftless shifter
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I've driven walking floor MSW rigs that weighed 42,000 empty and permitted for 99,000 gross.
Bill
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TonyDtorch
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your math is partially correct,hasrv4fun said:
but much of that will depend if the tractor is a bare bones 6 wheel day tractor (bobtail) weighs about 10-14K, or 10 wheel OTR tractor weighs about 20-26K and if the trailers are a single 53 or 2- 20's or in some states 3-20's.
In all states, the combination can weigh up to 80,000 pounds legally. In some states, with special configurations and permits, 18 wheel combinations can weigh up to 165,000 pounds.
in some states DMV states a regulation tractor (semi truck) can weigh no more than 12,500
but the point still stands..... the trailer weight is more than the truck weight.
I am also a ex trucker and still have a current class A CDL with M-1 H,T endorsements
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TonyDtorch
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I actually think the best motorhome may be one you can actually pay cash for.
many times, if you finance one the value goes down faster than the principle does .
there will always be RV's that are the best and better.
I see those show off people that come into the RV park here, one guy had a 45 foot Newell and was towing a brand new Bentley Continental GT. they typically open up all the windows and leave the lights all on, just so all us gasser owners can look into and see the "comfort and convenience worth a few extra dollars"
it's all just a big ---- contest.
many times, if you finance one the value goes down faster than the principle does .
there will always be RV's that are the best and better.
I see those show off people that come into the RV park here, one guy had a 45 foot Newell and was towing a brand new Bentley Continental GT. they typically open up all the windows and leave the lights all on, just so all us gasser owners can look into and see the "comfort and convenience worth a few extra dollars"
it's all just a big ---- contest.
JimGeorgia
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Gary RV Roamer said:
Gary,
I think that you could make this a permanent header item in the Forum Community section. It's a discussion that will continue on as long as the forum is around.
Staff edit: Fix misplaced end quote tag
gwcowgill
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It all comes down to what your pocketbook can afford and what amenities you want. I have a DP because of comfort ride and it is quiet in the front going down the road and I could afford it. Note, it is not a Newell or other out of sight coach.
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bucks2
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TonyDtorch said:
I like your posts Tony. It wasn't but 6 months ago people were bitching about the "big rig owners" disappearing into their rigs and not sitting out on the curb with the commoners. Now we're complaining about them being too open. I wouldn't offer them a Beer beer either. See how that suits them........ ;D
I'm so unsophisticated I wouldn't know the difference between a new Bentley and a 6 year old one. Maybe it was the titties on the tires that hadn't worn off yet that gave it away?
Ken
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TonyDtorch
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bucks2 said:
I never said they were too open about anything...... they stayed inside and never did come out. but they made sure to leave the curtains open and all the lights on. (kinda looked like a Vegas casino in there)... the Bentley still had paper plates on it.
another Newell owner that comes here twice a year has a big sign on the front window that says "Warning ! surveillance cameras"...he never even says "Hi" to any of us.
The typical RV park hierarchy...
years ago the Country Coach and Monaco (dynasty and up) owners were the stuck-ups, ...but they're not so uppity anymore now that the clearcoat is peeling.
The Foretravel owners are usually from Texas, and Texans are always friendly.
but.... you are right Ken....it used to be that the average 3 axle owner would just shoot a condescending wave and smile to all us gassers or trailer trash,
now days... most of them realise they're riding around in a "getting older discontinued manufacture rig" so they're starting to be a little more friendly.
so by surviving high end manufactures default ...the Newell and Prevost owners are about the only real RV park snooties left.
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bucks2
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I knew I should have gone to the tag axle orientation session to learn all the tricks of the trade. I've had to pick them up piecemeal, a little here and a little there.
Now I know what I need to do, at least until the clearcoat starts to peel.
Ken
Now I know what I need to do, at least until the clearcoat starts to peel.
Ken
Gary RV_Wizard
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This is trending toward the old "camping" vs "traveling" debate. Some feel that if you are not outdoors most of the time, you aren't doing it (camping) right. Others enjoy themselves just bringing their home with them as they travel, visiting different locals or people but not necessarily "camping". Different strokes for different folks.
In my opinion, the more nights/year you spend in the RV, the more you are likely to move toward the "traveling" end of the scale rather than the "camping" end. If you are just getting away from the stick house for a weekend or vacation, you are more motivated to get outdoors and do different things than when at home.
In my opinion, the more nights/year you spend in the RV, the more you are likely to move toward the "traveling" end of the scale rather than the "camping" end. If you are just getting away from the stick house for a weekend or vacation, you are more motivated to get outdoors and do different things than when at home.
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TonyDtorch
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There appears to be two different main groups of RVers that come into the park here.
1. the Family group, this group is all the younger families with kids on vacation and visiting all the tourist sites here, They come in in the gas rigs both Class A and C, and the toy hauler 5ers being towed by the work truck... they set up and do a lot of family living out under the awning.
2, the "kids visitors". This group is Grama and Grampa and they tend to be in the larger diesel rigs towing the Buick with the Yorkie in the front window, they are back here to visit all the grand kids.
(a.) if Grampa comes from money (Newell or Prevost owner) often times he's a non social grump... and is only here because Gramma wants to see the kids.
(b.) if Grampa is a old retired working Joe, he's very social and gonna have some fun while he's here.
(disclaimer).....these are just my observations and are not supported by any actual documentation...
1. the Family group, this group is all the younger families with kids on vacation and visiting all the tourist sites here, They come in in the gas rigs both Class A and C, and the toy hauler 5ers being towed by the work truck... they set up and do a lot of family living out under the awning.
2, the "kids visitors". This group is Grama and Grampa and they tend to be in the larger diesel rigs towing the Buick with the Yorkie in the front window, they are back here to visit all the grand kids.
(a.) if Grampa comes from money (Newell or Prevost owner) often times he's a non social grump... and is only here because Gramma wants to see the kids.
(b.) if Grampa is a old retired working Joe, he's very social and gonna have some fun while he's here.
(disclaimer).....these are just my observations and are not supported by any actual documentation...
Bill and Debbie
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Very interesting read from a rather novice RV'r....For years I've loved Porsches. Finally started with a modest purchase and then moved up over time to a newer expensive one. While the purchase was affordable, I failed to realize the cost of upkeep...and that often begins to sour the experience. I think the $$ cost of maintenance required is often overlooked whether buying an exotic car or motorhome.
As I sit hear at a RV park outside Sacramento, I'm going to tell you there are some incredible rigs including our good friends who just popped for a new Allegro Bus with a 418K sticker with a matching toad...graphics and all. I feel like I'm the one with the 914 in the Porsche corral! Maybe parks should have a "big rig" area and another section for all us "poor folk"......but I know we sleep just as well as our friends and our beer is just as cold.....
As I sit hear at a RV park outside Sacramento, I'm going to tell you there are some incredible rigs including our good friends who just popped for a new Allegro Bus with a 418K sticker with a matching toad...graphics and all. I feel like I'm the one with the 914 in the Porsche corral! Maybe parks should have a "big rig" area and another section for all us "poor folk"......but I know we sleep just as well as our friends and our beer is just as cold.....
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bucks2
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Remember to notice that it's not the big rig owners complaining about the lesser priced rigs here. In my experience the big rigs are just regular folks doing their thing. Tony complained that he didn't like the big rig leaving the door open and the lights on. (the horror and audacity to turn their lights on) And towing their car........ can you imagine the nerve of some people?
Ken
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TonyDtorch
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Ken:bucks2 said:
It's not the door open and lights on at all...
it's the front windshield shades wide open, the red bowed Yorkie sitting in the windshield and the crystal steering wheel table lamp, with every single interior and exterior light on so it looks like the Taj mahal on wheels.
it's an obvious night time Macy's type window display...They want you to look in and see the level of the opulence they possess.
and some of them really do go into the office and ask if they can be moved away from the "older" rv's....(yes Ken, the nerve of some people)
now days, most of the gassers are towing cars too ....even though all the oil burners say that is impossible and unsafe...
the other day a Mom and Dad with 5 little kids came in with a late model 35 foot gasser towing a newer Chevy Suburban.....they drove it 1500 miles down here from Washington state. He said it was no problem at all.
Larry N.
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That's a new one on me, that "oil burners" say towing is impossible for gassers to tow. Wow!
gwcowgill
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TonyDtorch said:
Tony, I don't know where you came up with this one but I have towed a car with all the gassers I have owned and never felt unsafe. Even my Chevrolet Class B+ I towed my Jeep Liberty behind with no problems even through the mountains out west. I feel the ride is more comfortable in my DP and the seating doesn't get my back and I do have a lot more space but then again my 5th wheel had even more space. I believe you know what is right for you whether it be gas or a DP.
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TonyDtorch
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gwcowgill said:
most of the "oil burners" say a gasser lacks the power to safely tow anything and some gassers would be over the recommended GCWR with a full size car or car trailer being towed.
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bucks2
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"even though all the oil burners say that is impossible and unsafe..."
Well at least we've gone from "ALL" to "MOST".
"some of them really do go into the office and ask if they can be moved away from the "older" rv's....(yes Ken, the nerve of some people)"
And some people ask to be moved away from kids, the pool, the garbage dumpster, the freeway, and a variety of other things. Does that make them bad? Are all people bad because some people do those things?
Me thinks there's a bit of the green eyed monster rearing it's ugly head here, Mr. Shakespeare.
Ken
Well at least we've gone from "ALL" to "MOST".
"some of them really do go into the office and ask if they can be moved away from the "older" rv's....(yes Ken, the nerve of some people)"
And some people ask to be moved away from kids, the pool, the garbage dumpster, the freeway, and a variety of other things. Does that make them bad? Are all people bad because some people do those things?
Me thinks there's a bit of the green eyed monster rearing it's ugly head here, Mr. Shakespeare.
Ken
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TonyDtorch
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from a guy with a tag that contains "Cat C9, tag axle, 43 footer, allison, 14 silverado" .....bucks2 said:
curious why you left "Rolex" out ?..... "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
I apologize if I offended you Ken, I'm just having fun,
Tony
I am a little surprised how far off this thread has gotten away from the original question regarding hp and length. Are you guys just kidding about these have and have not comments? I have never seen or thought anything about what folks chose to have. I don't think I have met any rv person I didn't like and feel comfortable talking to. That's what so great about rving. Some folks like a high end rig and others like to be as simple as they can all for different reasons. Iv met folks in an old vw camper in Quartzsite looking for rocks and living off the grid and prevost in resort parks who cant get away from 50amp. They all are having fun enjoying life the way they choose .Maybe the guy with all the lights on just wanted to see and if he had a little dog maybe its a seeing eye dog and that explains all the lights. Maybe?
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I have encountered the type of high end owner that Tony is referring to. I have a 22 year old Bounder that looks exceptionally good, what gives away its age is the dated understated graphics. On the the other hand I have also encountered the other type of high end owner, they admire my vintage rig and and are surprised at just how old it really is. I think the point is it's more of a Mc'Mansion type of personality than a broad brush on all or most high end owners. My old Sea Ray elicited the same responses. I like old stuff that works as it should, and can be buffed out. 8)
Bill
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