Masks now required in Oregon

[ArdraF]

Masks are now required in Nevada in all public places.  There are a few exceptions, such as when out walking or jogging and no one is nearby to infringe on social distancing.  Our Phase 1 reopening resulted in an immediate increase in cases.  One problem was with casino patrons who refused to wear masks.  The casinos themselves have taken all kinds of measures to protect people and all employees had to wear masks but not the customers.  Now all bars are closed again as well as some other places with high non-compliance.

I think John from Detroit was talking about a surprise birthday party.  The person who held the party had no symptoms and infected five people who then went home and infected another 11 people for a total of 18 family members.  The grandmother did not attend the party but stopped by to drop off something, got infected and is in the hospital.  We've seen some videos on TV that are in a darkened room and show the droplets people expel when talking.  It's something we all do and is a normal part of speech so it only makes sense to wear a mask that prevents others from getting sick.  When I lived in post-war Japan in 1949-1950 many people wore masks to prevent the spreading of diseases to others.

ArdraF

 

[glen54737]

Our church services started up 2 weeks ago and after the first Mass someone complained about wearing their mask "for a whole hour". My wife, a nursing instructor, politely commented "try 10 hours".

Try it without A/C  8)
I have to at work.
Kansas and Kansas City started requiring it today too.

 

[Joezeppy]

LOL - like sticking your face in a bowl of soup all day!

 

[jrclen]

Businesses were closed - the virus spread anyway. People were forced to stay inside their homes - the virus spread anyway. Social distancing was observed - the virus spread anyway. Now people are forced or asked to wear masks - and yes, the virus is spreading anyway. I'm not suggesting not wearing masks, just suggesting that masks are just the latest failed attempt at stopping the unstoppable. Good luck to all. I do wish those in power would talk about preventing communist China from doing this to us over and over.

Thank you to the OP for the information. Our planned September road trip presently includes Oregon.

 

[chuckbear]

Businesses were closed - the virus spread anyway. People were forced to stay inside their homes - the virus spread anyway. Social distancing was observed - the virus spread anyway. Now people are forced or asked to wear masks - and yes, the virus is spreading anyway. I'm not suggesting not wearing masks, just suggesting that masks are just the latest failed attempt at stopping the unstoppable. Good luck to all. I do wish those in power would talk about preventing communist China from doing this to us over and over.

Thank you to the OP for the information. Our planned September road trip presently includes Oregon.

You are so wrong in every statement. With the initial shutdown, cases began to drop and hospitals finally had open beds. The spread continued in earnest once everything began to open, especially bars and beaches. I know because I live in Florida, one of the worst states in the country for new cases due to opening up the state for business as usual. Parroting misinformation does not make it so but does further the spread of that misinformation. That is why it's important to pay attention to the true experts and not the anti-everything folks. Kudos to those that truly have compassion and consideration for others. As I have said before, I respect those that choose not to social distance and not wear masks. But I don't respect their choice to endanger myself and others. Please, Please don't kill me or your loved ones, or someone else's family or friends. Where is your compassion, consideration for others, and what is the limits to your shame? I am in the high-risk category and don't want to die. So please stay out of our state, we have enough problems, and please stay away from anyone that might matter to someone. Chuck

 

[Oldgator73]

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You beat me to the punch. Well said.

 

[Doc Roads]

Absolutes don?t exit.  Masks are not an absolute prevention, it is simply meant to slow the spread along with distancing, etc.  I?m surprised anyone with military experience doesn?t understand this concept.  I wore body armor in AFG and no had expectation of 100% protection.  Same goes for the MRAP I rode in.  It?s about mitigation.  Also, I expected all those with me to take the same risk reduction in mutual support of the mission. The same applies to these C19 measures ... it?s mutual support in mitigating this virus. Oregon has established a requirement ... so you wear a mask.

 

[ChasA]

There are some who only think of themselves. We wear masks whenever we are out in public, which we try to avoid. We've come to love delivery.

 

[chuckbear]

There are some who only think of themselves. We wear masks whenever we are out in public, which we try to avoid. We've come to love delivery.

Going in to our local Lowes is one scary experience. Hundreds of locals, none with masks and they never heard of social distancing. It's no wonder Florida is in such bad shape. I have been ordering from Lowes, the local Ace, and Walmart online for everything since April. I like it so much I will probably keep doing that after this is all over. They all offer free delivery and it shows up in a day or two. Sure beats standing in those long and scary checkout lines and trying to find a parking space. Chuck

 

[jrclen]

It's a long time till November. Let's all watch the mass media and see what the numbers do with the increased mask use and the new rounds of closings, along with the ever increasing testing. Chuckbear, Doc Roads, are you assuming I am anti mask and thus spreading the virus? Interesting assumptions.

 

[Doc Roads]

Absolutely not ... I don?t assume you are anti-mask ... I disagree with your logic and assumptions in your assessment.  Here?s an explanation of what I was responding to.  Here?s the part of the post I was responding to ...

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Businesses were closed - the virus spread anyway. People were forced to stay inside their homes - the virus spread anyway. Social distancing was observed - the virus spread anyway. Now people are forced or asked to wear masks - and yes, the virus is spreading anyway. I'm not suggesting not wearing masks, just suggesting that masks are just the latest failed attempt at stopping the unstoppable.
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All of these measures were meant to stem the spread, not stop the spread.  They are also intended to be used at the same time.  This is a strategy.  Assuming each measure is failed individually simply misses the objective of the strategy. The strategy is not to stop it ... it is to stem the growth and mitigate the impacts on the nation.  Currently, I?m in Montana, the virus is on the rise, and I see very few people wearing masks and distancing. I?m concerned ... I have kids and grandkids here and they are at risk.  I am very invested in this strategy working for all of us. 

This response is intended to address and explain the logic and strategy, not anything else.  I am not assuming you?re anti mask or anything else.  I?m sorry if you feel I insulted you.  I had no intent to insult.

 

[jackiemac]

Masks are becoming requirements in the UK too.

An eminent virologist says that the numbers will mostly be the same irrespective of the measures taken. The key is to ensure medical facilities can manage the numbers thereby giving those affected the best chance of recovery.

I think we won't really know until a reasonable time has passed so that proper analysis can be done.

The important thing for me is whether or not the death rate is increasing with the infection increase. Its obvious if you do more testing you will see more infections but its whether these lead to spikes in deaths. I truly hope they don't.

With any luck this virus will run its course and die off or be much less virulent and become like the common cold. We can but hope.

Be safe out there everyone.

 

[SeilerBird]

I am bummed out because people are sick and dying and I am taking every precaution possible since I am over 65 and have respiratory problems making me high risk. However I have seen many good things coming out of this mess. The baseball season will be 60 games and spitting is now illegal. How wonderful is that? Fixed the two biggest problems in baseball.

 

[chuckbear]

It's a long time till November. Let's all watch the mass media and see what the numbers do with the increased mask use and the new rounds of closings, along with the ever increasing testing. Chuckbear, Doc Roads, are you assuming I am anti mask and thus spreading the virus? Interesting assumptions.

My response is not to assume you are an anti-masker but to point out that you are spreading misinformation that has no bases in reality. Yes, there is an increase in the use of masks but there is also a large percentage of the population that refuses to wear a mask and that is mostly due to the spread of misinformation. So while you may not be an anti-masker, you are spreading misleading information that gives the anti-maskers fuel to refuse to wear them. Until EVERYONE follows the guidelines, the metrics will not improve. Chuck

 

[jrclen]

Misinformation? I disagree. I feel I spoke the uncomfortable truth. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that. It was not my intention to upset the great people on this board.

 

[NY_Dutch]

Maybe you should try telling the people in NY how nothing they did made any difference...

 

[chuckbear]

Misinformation? I disagree. I feel I spoke the uncomfortable truth. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that. It was not my intention to upset the great people on this board.

Then we agree to disagree. Chuck

 

[Gary RV_Wizard]

I'm in the camp that thinks we can have some semblance of "normal" if we all cooperate and observe the basic guidelines intended to limit (not 100% stop) the rapid spread of Covid.  Foremost among those guidelines are to maintain distance where you can and masks where you cannot reliably do so.  That doesn't seem like a lot to ask of our fellow citizens.  Another key is that each of us personally can limit our exposure by avoiding public contact to whatever degree we feel advisable. That's an individual choice and one you need to make known to friends and family who may be more adventuresome than yourselves.

Bars are a problem because by their very nature they encourage close contact in an mostly indoor environment where masks are not practical.  Establishments that have tried to maintain "social distancing" around their bar area have almost universally failed to do so, largely due to a percentage of uncooperative customers.  Lack of cooperation has lead to state/county/city mandates in many places.

I think beaches have had a bad rap in the media and thus public opinion. Many of them have plenty of room for distancing and the outdoor, typically breezy & sunny environment, is a relatively low risk form of recreation that enables people to get out of the house. The media has shown photos of crowded and maskless beaches that usually turn out to be photographed in a manner that makes it look like there is little distancing or are old stock photos that pre-date Covid concerns.  In my opinion the media is pandering to our fears for the sake of increased readership and social media hits.  This had resulted in a knee-jerk reaction about any open beach, regardless of the actual situation there.  I'll stop short of saying all beaches should be open, but please keep an open mind about the subject.

 

[Gizmo]

I appreciate those who commented on the need to protect others when you wear a mask. However, by wearing a mask you are also protecting yourself from breathing in infected respiratory droplets from infected people who breathe, sneeze, cough, speak, talk loud, or sing. As others have noted, covid-19 has the sole job of infecting any host that is available and doesn't care about the politics of those it infects.

I too appreciate all who are wearing masks, but a note of correction, unless the mask is equipped with filtration, it only protect others should the mask wearer be a carrier of COVID-19.  We have been in Oregon for a few months now and since the outbreak have been wearing masks when out shopping or in public where social distancing is not possible.  We were happy to hear the governor made mask wearing in public mandatory as we have been alarmed in our travels to see the large number of people not wearing masks.

 

[Doc Roads]

Misinformation? I disagree. I feel I spoke the uncomfortable truth. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that. It was not my intention to upset the great people on this board.

It?s not about being upset.  It?s about addressing misinformation. The uncomfortable truth is that these individual tactics by themselves have a limited effect.  True. You can?t stop there. Individual tactics combined together make a strategy which give a combined effect which is greater than any one tactic in isolation.  Your comments missed the strategic part completely.

You can think what you want ... it?s obvious you have come to your own conclusions.  I provided anyone else reading this thread another perspective based on the logic of strategy rather than tactics.