Grabbing a burger is about the right time for a supercharge for a car. But that falls apart when we are talking about charging a truck with a 200 kWh battery. That is a 45 to 60 minute affair…on the right charger. It wouldn’t bother me but it would some.
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DonTom
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If you drive 300 miles nonstop, without a break. you're doing something wrong, IMO, such as leaving too late.
By the time I need a charge, regardless if car or motorcycle, I will be looking forward to the charge break.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Babe2201
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Curious on where the city gets the money to pay for them.
Depending on the charge company I guess. If it’s tesla then Tesla either buys or leases the land and puts in their product. I know FLO and BC hydro are similar. I don’t know of any cities or towns that are in the charge business here but it may be different there.
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A whole book could be written on "free EV charging". As people would guess correctly, it's not exactly free. It's still a whole lot cheaper than paying for gas, though!
Some businesses will install chargers to attract people, like at shopping malls. Sometimes charging is free to patrons, and it's paid for by the commercial business.
Some "free" charging is paid for by the vehicle manufacturer as part of the purchase price of the vehicle.
A lot of public chargers aren't free. You pay the utility company that has the city contract directly. Some of it is free, and it's paid for through city budgets or grants. Or, it may be free to charge your EV, but it's not free to park there, and it's included in the cost of parking instead. Example: Airport.
Workplaces sometimes install them as a benefit to employees, or customers (example: downtown office tower).
Some businesses will install chargers to attract people, like at shopping malls. Sometimes charging is free to patrons, and it's paid for by the commercial business.
Some "free" charging is paid for by the vehicle manufacturer as part of the purchase price of the vehicle.
A lot of public chargers aren't free. You pay the utility company that has the city contract directly. Some of it is free, and it's paid for through city budgets or grants. Or, it may be free to charge your EV, but it's not free to park there, and it's included in the cost of parking instead. Example: Airport.
Workplaces sometimes install them as a benefit to employees, or customers (example: downtown office tower).
Babe2201
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At 75 mph that is 4 hours so even a little slower is around 4 and a half. Quite often on long trips we do that nonstop and then only have to stop for a bathroom break and maybe switch drivers. If we do stop before 4 hours it is a quick bathroom break and that is it.
This is not something new, gov'ts often subsidize innovations in medicine and industry. The Chinese dominate in many areas because the State underwrites those industries. Were it otherwise as well there would have never been a polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine, AIDS vaccines, ..... No moon landing in '69, no gps, no interstate hwy system, ....... So yeah, they get it from you.
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Getting a burger at a combined gas station and McDonalds takes 5 minutes and a 2 minute restroom break all while the pump is filling the tank. Then eating while on the road. Your relaxed lifestyle doesn't fit in with a business trip on a tight schedule. Two 80% charges during a 600 mile drive would add at least an hour that isn't practical.
I'm only 71 so maybe your tolerances are lower. 300 miles is nothing to me.
To each his own I guess. We never travelled that way when we drove a gasser. Sure not going to start now.
And McDonald’s? Really? Pack a healthy lunch, take a break and enjoy a longer life.
But, like I say. To each his own.
Just me, but if you're so rushed you have to eat a Big Mac from your lap while driving, unless you've just figured out how to trigger the atomic bomb and you're on the way to tell Oppenheimer, you should examine your priorities.
Joezeppy
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Some of the negative comments about travel style surprise me. Business vs. leisure travel and retired vs. working-stiff travel are all different. I don't travel for business much any more but when I did, I would often leave a meeting at one office and have to be a the next office at a specific time to start another meeting. It's not always possible to chill at a rest stop for a half hour and have a relaxing meal. Likewise, if I'm heading out for the weekend, I might quit work at 4:00, be on the road at 4:30, and have to be at a specific location by a specific time.
Babe2201
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I do that quite often and the last time I did owning an EV was not one of them. I prefer Popeye's or Zaxby's when traveling.
Professor David
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You are a stronger man than I am. Seems like the older I get...the less distance I want to drive per day. In younger days, I could drive non-stop for 16 hours or more...stopping for short breaks to take care of business. These days being a retired old guy, 300 miles or so is a good day for me especially driving the motorhome. My wife just wouldn't be able to drive the motorhome so its totally up to me to drive.
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If driving an EV doesn't fit into someone's busy retired lifestyle eating fast food on the run while driving more than 300 miles in a single leg, then don't buy one.
DonTom
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I won't be long before the EV is the only new car you may buy in many areas. Such as there in Wahington and here in CA in a few years.
But by then, I assume many EVs will have a range of more than 300-miles on a full charge as well as faster charging while on the road. Home charging probably will stay the same as today, meaning same number of miles added per hour (around 40 miles or 65 km) of charge.
-Don- Auburn, CA
DonTom
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I don't think I have ever done 300 miles without at least a ten-minute break, regardless of age. Even if that break was filling up with gas at a gas station. 300 miles usually takes at least five hours of driving.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Skookum
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I think the stop-sale is unlikely given the proposed dates, but I think available choices for new vehicles are going to get pretty skinny in the ICE realm, going forward. Probably just pickups and a few ICE holdouts. Or not, things could change, but that's the direction the winds are headed right now.
We are considering a BMW i4 xDrive40. As I've stated before, not for any kind of savings. Just for fun. They're fast. And this $6/gallon gasoline hijinks being played by the oil companies is pure BS.
DonTom
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It's usually not much per KWH, so not a big deal. But it's from tax revenue, I assume.
It's not always the city. It's often casinos, restaurants, businesses that provide free AC charging. Fast DC charging is always by the city or state.
And sometimes I do not think it is fair. For an example, the free DC fast charger here is paid for by the city of Garnerville, and this one, a quarter mile away is EV-GO, a legitimate business trying to make some profit on their charging. Perhaps I should feel guilty using the free one, but who wouldn't use it?
But I do pay when the free one is busy, but that isn't too often. And a lot of local people use the free on in place of their home charging because it is free. That is not its indented purpose, it is there for people who will spend money in Garnerville while they are charging. OTOH, it's the locals who are paying the taxes for it.
-Don- Auburn, CA
Babe2201
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Are you forgetting there are a lot of people that would love to make it so that is not a choice? That is not the only reason why they are not a great option for some people. Currently right now even with the crazy high price of gas I spend less than 2K a year on gas. If I were to purchase and EV pickup it would cost around 20K more than an ICE one. That would mean it might be as long as 10 years before I saw any savings. If I kept it for 10 years and had a battery failure then it would be even longer. Would you be willing to give your finance person 20K and say just give it back to me in 10 years without any money earned on it?
I also have concerns on resale value because of the replacement costs of batteries.
