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There weren't fuel distribution networks, pipelines, or adequate rail to get fuel around the country for early automobiles. There weren't fiber optic cable networks or satellites or cell towers to handle the type of communication traffic we have today. There wasn't enough infrastructure 40 years ago to support adding another 100 million people inside the US borders. But that didn't stop anyone from buying or using a car, or the internet, or a cell phone or having a kid. The electrical infrastructure wasn't built so everybody in Texas could have an AC compressor or heat pump. Did that stop people from installing AC? Nope!

Using any electrical grid inadequacies to hide dislike of an idea is a pretty weak argument. Or it's an argument to never improve our grid and fall behind everyone else who will.
 
SeilerBird said:
If you have to make things up to try and win an argument you have a very weak position.
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I don't think that is always the case. Many believe the first things they hear without question. Even when for no reason.

An unrelated to EV example that has no purpose of any type that I can think of:

I have heard countless times from several different people that juvenile venomous snakes are more dangerous than adult snakes of the same species. Such a statement has no purpose at all, but somehow got very widespread. No doubt many here have heard that too and believe it. Perhaps they even spread it more to others, when the subject of reptiles come up.

But the truth is out there, if one looks for it. The problem is "if a lie is told often enough, it becomes the truth".

-Don- Auburn, CA
 
SeilerBird said:
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. If you have to make things up to try and win an argument you have a very weak position.
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That's my opinion of the U.S.A. electrical grid at present, whether we go to EV's or not the grid must be improved/rebuilt/ modernized as the population increases. I don't have to prove my opinion, neither do you.
And yes our federal government has in the past financed electrical grid construction it's named REMC.
 
Ray-IN said:
That's my opinion of the U.S.A. electrical grid at present, whether we go to EV's or not the grid must be improved/rebuilt/ modernized as the population increases.
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Nothing new there. Not only that, we want more and more machines to do more and more of our work:


-Don- Auburn,CA
 
DonTom said:
Nothing new there. Not only that, we want more and more machines to do more and more of our work:


-Don- Auburn,CA
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You're right, nothing new. For the past 40 or so years very few electrical generating plants or high-voltage transmission lines have been constructed. The advent of EV's is making that obvious, and demanding action.
Mankind did not cause global warming, we vastly accelerated the natural process via the industrial revolution.
 
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DonTom said:
But here is what is coming.

"dozens of new natural gas-fired power online over the next few years."

-Don- Reno, NV
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Considering the recent rant about gas stoves causing several childhood ailments, there might be some controversy over that construction.
It's good to read about that construction IMO. Now we need to look at building new nuclear-powered generating stations, natural gas will diminish when electricity power greatly reduces the need for petroleum fuel.
 
Ray-IN said:
Considering the recent rant about gas stoves causing several childhood ailments, there might be some controversy over that construction.
It's good to read about that construction IMO. Now we need to look at building new nuclear-powered generating stations, natural gas will diminish when electricity power greatly reduces the need for petroleum fuel.
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No. The stove thing is about burning natural gas in an enclosed building. Nothing to do with vented appliances like furnaces, water heaters or natural gas power plants.
 
SeilerBird said:
The anti-EV crowd is desperate. They remind me of Chicken Little. "The sky is falling".
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Someone pushing the switch to EV because of environmental issues are the ones saying the sky is falling. Like many have said before very few people are anti-EV. They just do not think it should be mandated and pushed the way it is. Especially by people flying around in private jets.
 
Babe2201 said:
Someone pushing the switch to EV because of environmental issues are the ones saying the sky is falling. Like many have said before very few people are anti-EV. They just do not think it should be mandated and pushed the way it is. Especially by people flying around in private jets.
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People are not buying EV’s because someone is pushing them to do it. They are buying them because they went for a test drive. It’s pretty much over after that.
 
Viajeros said:
People are not buying EV’s because someone is pushing them to do it. They are buying them because they went for a test drive. It’s pretty much over after that.
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But if certain people have their way even the people that don't want them will be forced to buy them. So I guess everyone that takes one for a test drive buys one? Are you trying to say that nobody has ever bought an EV because they believe the propoganda they hear?
 
Babe2201 said:
But if certain people have their way even the people that don't want them will be forced to buy them. So I guess everyone that takes one for a test drive buys one? Are you trying to say that nobody has ever bought an EV because they believe the propoganda they hear?
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No idea. I do know that the test drive is the big convincer. Most people buy EV’s for performance, tech and convenience reasons. And some with high distance commutes for economic reasons as depending on where you live it can be crazy cheap to commute with them compared to gas. Lots of variables.

To each his own. Everybody has different needs and wants.
 
Viajeros said:
No idea. I do know that the test drive is the big convincer. Most people buy EV’s for performance, tech and convenience reasons. And some with high distance commutes for economic reasons as depending on where you live it can be crazy cheap to commute with them compared to gas. Lots of variables.

To each his own. Everybody has different needs and wants.
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See none of those apply to me so I do not feel the need for one. I don't think that makes me anti-EV.
 
Babe2201 said:
See none of those apply to me so I do not feel the need for one. I don't think that makes me anti-EV.
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On the surface it appears you are trying to convince others EV’s are not worth owning. I see folks driving pickup trucks everyday with nothing in the bed of the truck and usually only one person in the cab of a four door truck. I don’t try to convince them they do not need that truck. And before you say it, nobody is trying to make you purchase an EV.
 
Babe2201 said:
So I guess everyone that takes one for a test drive buys one?
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I can honestly say everyone who I know who test drove a Tesla now owns one. That even includes people who I thought couldn't afford it, as well as people I didn't expect to buy.

Several took their test drive in mine! I have let many drive mine. They now all own Teslas, but not all are the same model as mine. Mine is a M3, a couple who drove mine now have a Model Y.

That's why I say do NOT test drive if you think you cannot afford it.

-Don- Auburn, CA
 
DonTom said:
I can honestly say everyone who I know who test drove a Tesla now owns one. That even includes people who I thought couldn't afford it, as well as people I didn't expect to buy.

Several took their test drive in mine! I have let many drive mine. They now all own Teslas, but not all are the same model as mine. Mine is a M3, a couple who drove mine now have a Model Y.

That's why I say do NOT test drive if you think you cannot afford it.

-Don- Auburn, CA
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Yah. Ours seems to be a test drive centre for lots of folks too. 😉. Not all have bought one…yet…but that is just because of budget or waiting until their gasser gets a little older. NONE will buy a gasser again.

Tesla will build 1.8 million cars this year and that is not keeping up with demand. And there are still relatively few countries where they can be bought.
 
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