In LA, CA today, the gas price:

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The computer for the engine will adjust the timing to eliminate any pinging. I don't think 1 octane point is a big deal. I would have filled to the brim with the cheaper fuel. Not looking forward to the single tank of gas I'll have to buy to get out of California. $5.70 for regular in Bishop the other day.
Yeah, but it say's in my owner's manual that using octane less than 87 could void the warranty. While unlikely, if the engine falls apart during the warranty, I will hate to find out they tested the gasoline and discovered it was one octane too low.

Come to think of it, I am not even sure if this engine is still in warranty, I purchased the motorhome in September 2021. I cannot remember if that is a two- or three-year warranty, but I can look it up.

Besides, the 88 octane was cheap enough. The cheapest gas I found this entire trip has all been here in NM. Perhaps even cheaper when I get into Texas a little later today.

$5.70 seems cheap for Bishop, CA. One thing I like about this motorhome is my 80-gallon tank means I can usually get to the cheaper gas outside of CA.

-Don- Roswell, NM
 
I may have to start doing my own oil changes again.
I always do them, but not to save money. When I let other places do it, It have had several problems, such as an oil filter falling off the car when out in the middle of nowhere.

Also, a quart too much oil a couple of times and other such issues.

So my rule now is, if I can do it myself, I will.

BTW, I changed the engine and genny oil in both of my motorhomes just before this trip.

-Don- Roswell, NM
 
I work on all my vehicles so occasionally I end up doing oil changes for my mother in law. I can always tell when the last guy that touched it was when she took it to an oil change place. They torque oil filters and drain plugs like lug nuts and I literally have to destroy them getting them off. It mangles the o-ring or seal in the plug so after a while I just bought spares and replace them. The drain plug on my pickup is the original after almost 30 years, but I bet I've gone through 3 or 4 on MIL's car. Sometimes even a strap wrench won't get the filter off, I have to use a honkin' size channel lock and smash it into an oval before I can get enough bite on it to spin it off. I guess that's the mark of a professional.

I bit on a promotion to get my oil changed at a chain a while back, and the end result is by the time I drove over, waited my turn in line, waited for the service to complete, pay and drive back home it took longer than it did to do it myself and cost twice as much. People usually rationalize the cost by claiming it's too much hassle or getting rid of old oil is a PITA but if you have a process you follow it's not difficult or time consuming at all. Yes, there's the added step of buying oil but I usually buy it by the case and that's once a year. Here in ABQ any store that sells oil takes waste oil back, so it amounts to walking into a store with a few jugs, setting them down and walking out which is just part of a given Saturday's rat killin' or stop on the way home from work. I have a note stuck to the toolbox in the garage which tools and filter are needed for each given car, so just grab exactly what I need and it's one trip underneath to dump and swap filters. Over the course of a year and four vehicles there's some savings there, it's done at my convenience and I have the knowledge it was done right.

Mark B.
Albuquerque, NM
 
I just did first service on our Onan QD8000 generator. Filter was on there tighter (likely no oil on the seal) than my little wrench could handle. Ended up mangling the filter, the wrench, but finally got it off. What a bear!

I do all the service on our vehicles and the filter seals get a coating of fresh oil and torqued only as hard as I'm willing to spin them to get them off with my hand!
 
The price of the 86 octane was $2.999. The 88 octane was $3.399.

I wonder when they will drop the tenth of a penny nonsense.

-Don- Roswell, NM
The fractional pricing started in the 1930's. One factor that led to the adoption of the practice was taxes. The first federal gas tax was enacted as part of the Revenue Tax Act of 1932, establishing a federal excise tax on gasoline of 1/10th of a cent. A year later, the tax was increased to 1.5 cents per gallon. The current federal excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon for gas and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel.

Over time, fuel retailers evolved to pricing at 0.9 cents. The reason is marketing. Retail experts have long known that goods prices slightly less than those priced at a whole number sound far less expensive. Something that is priced at $9.99 seems a lot less expensive than something priced at $10 (although I have never subscribed to that theory).
 
The reason is marketing. Retail experts have long known that goods prices slightly less than those priced at a whole number sound far less expensive.
Yeah, I know, but that BS has an opposite effect on me because of all those large "9"'s.

To me an even $20.00 sounds like less than $19.99. Not all those large 9's in the even "20.00".

-Don- Now here
 
$5.70 seems cheap for Bishop, CA. One thing I like about this motorhome is my 80-gallon tank means I can usually get to the cheaper gas outside of CA.

-Don- Roswell, NM
After 20+ years working as a dealer tech for Chevy, I've seen warranty claims denied for a lot of silly reasons, but one octane point low on the fuel isn't one of them.

Had to go into town yesterday, so I checked again. The $5.70 was cash price at the gas station run by the Native American casino. Credit/debit price was $5.95, other stations in town were cash price $5.95, credit/debit price over $6.
 
After 20+ years working as a dealer tech for Chevy, I've seen warranty claims denied for a lot of silly reasons, but one octane point low on the fuel isn't one of them.
Yeah, I kinda assumed they go do not check gasoline octane ratings, as that will probably cost a few bucks and will be rather unusual. But it is still better to be safe than sorry over as it's a small difference in gasoline price compared to a void warranty on an engine replacement. I just go by whatever the owner's manuals say I should.

BTW, what are some of the "silly reasons" you have seen for denied warranties?


-Don- Odessa, TX
 
Gas is under $3 across much of the nation, yet the cheapest "regular" I've seen around here outside of Seattle is $4.26. Makes you wonder a little bit why things are priced so differently. Hint: It's not the taxes.
 
Yep. Either too tight or so loose they fall off, rarely done correctly.

The way I install oil filters is my hand ONLY but as tight as I can get by hand.

-Don- Tatum, NM
Of course I have heard of leaks after a quickie change, or the filter being off completely - That "has" to be as rare as hen's teeth. They run up the engine at around 2500 RPM for like 15 seconds while checking for leaks. They show me the dipstick every time. I also know what to do when the oil light comes on (if ever) - I have never, ever, ever heard of an oil filter spinning off.

Also - You should "seat" the o-ring and tighten 1/2 to 3/4 turn. You should not do full hand tight.

I do change the oil on all my classic cars. I have never needed a filter wrench to remove a filter I installed.
 
Gas is under $3 across much of the nation, yet the cheapest "regular" I've seen around here outside of Seattle is $4.26. Makes you wonder a little bit why things are priced so differently. Hint: It's not the taxes.
That is a question that comes to mind whenever I read about the big profits of oil companies. It would seem that if the price is driven by oil companies that the prices would be essentially the same for the entire country. With prices in this thread varying by 100%, there is something else significant in play.
 
. They show me the dipstick every time. I
Never for me, but that has all been many years ago.

I think they changed their procedures because of their countless complaints in past years.

Yeah, I know what the filters now say, but I find one hand at max I can get is about the same. I wish they would mark the oil filters in such a way to make it easy to show when at 3/4 turn, so I do not need to do it myself.

-Don- Odessa, TX
 
Yeah, I know what the filters now say, but I find one hand at max I can get is about the same. I wish they would mark the oil filters in such a way to make it easy to show when at 3/4 turn, so I do not need to do it myself.
I write the date and mileage on the filter with a sharpie. I drive the classic cars very little so if I don't get 3,000 miles in I change the oil/filter in a year by date.

The sharpie is a fine indicator for how to get 3/4 turn.
 
I write the date and mileage on the filter with a sharpie. I drive the classic cars very little so if I don't get 3,000 miles in I change the oil/filter in a year by date.

The sharpie is a fine indicator for how to get 3/4 turn.
I just keep a small 3"x4" maintenance log in the glove compartment - date, mileage, service performed, who performed it (me, Joe's Garage, etc.). That way I don't need to crawl under the truck to see when the last time was I changed my oil, or rotated my tires. I made it on Excel years ago and just print out a new one when I need it - which is basically when I buy a new vehicle because it takes a lot of entries to fill even 5 pages/20 lines per page of oil changes.
 
On my way to the local HFT, I discovered the cheapest gasoline of this entire trip. Several gas stations near the Odessa College area (ten miles from here) were asking $2.75 or so. But I didn't stop to see what the octane rating was at these places.

Odessa's elevation is around 2,860'.

-Don- Odessa, TX
 
I just keep a small 3"x4" maintenance log in the glove compartment - date, mileage, service performed, who performed it (me, Joe's Garage, etc.).
Yeah - I'm a belt, suspenders and journal kind of guy. Along with the filter I have a maintenance log for each vehicle and I bought a supply of those plastic window stickers the quickie places use.
 
I am surprised you can find it for under six bucks. It's cheaper there than in Bridgeport, CA.

Around $3.00 per gallon here for 87 with a credit card.

-Don- Odessa, TX
Yup, Bishop is cheaper than Crowley Lake, Mammoth, and Lee Vining also. In fact, my boy is here from Yosemite this weekend and he says gas at Crane Flat in the park is cheaper than Lee Vining. I found that to be true back in July also when I went to the kid's house.
 
Yeah - I'm a belt, suspenders and journal kind of guy. Along with the filter I have a maintenance log for each vehicle and I bought a supply of those plastic window stickers the quickie places use.

I do mine with a paint pen because I found the sharpie rubs off with a little oil.

I wish I could find an economical way to print the little stickers. My handwriting in sharpie or paint pen doesn’t look great…lol
 
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